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Romney Argues His Charitable Contributions Are As Good As Taxes

The release of Mitt Romney’s tax returns yesterday revealed how, as the Los Angeles Times put it, “the wealthiest candidate to seek the presidency in recent history has benefited from a tax code that lets investors pay taxes at a much lower rate than people who earn wages or salaries.” So faced with questions about whether he can relate to regular people, Romney argued on Hannity last night that his large charitable contributions boosted his tax bracket from 15% to “between about 32 and 42%.” Hilariously - or maybe pathetically - Romney claimed in the same segment that President Obama is out of touch with reality and the middle class.

Romney was ostensibly there to comment on the President Obama’s State of the Union address.

Romney said his reaction to the speech was that Obama is “disconnected from reality. I just don’t think he understands what’s happening in American homes across this country. People in the middle class in America are hurting. The median income is down 10% over the last four years… People are hurting in America and he seems to be saying that America’s on the right track, things are going well. That’s not what I’m hearing.”

Well, I don’t know what Romney heard but I do know what Obama said. He said, for example:

The defining issue of our time is how to keep that promise (of the American Dream) alive.  No challenge is more urgent.  No debate is more important.  We can either settle for a country where a shrinking number of people do really well while a growing number of Americans barely get by, or we can restore an economy where everyone gets a fair shot, and everyone does their fair share, and everyone plays by the same set of rules.  (Applause.)  What’s at stake aren’t Democratic values or Republican values, but American values.  And we have to reclaim them.

Let’s remember how we got here.  Long before the recession, jobs and manufacturing began leaving our shores.  Technology made businesses more efficient, but also made some jobs obsolete.  Folks at the top saw their incomes rise like never before, but most hardworking Americans struggled with costs that were growing, paychecks that weren’t, and personal debt that kept piling up.

Nevertheless, Romney told a credulous Hannity, “Look, this guy has failed the American people. They’re suffering. They know it and he doesn’t know it.”

In a fit of hypocrisy Hannity – who can’t seem to open his mouth without being divisive - went on to complain about Obama’s divisiveness. 

Still, Hannity never forgets to boost the home team. So when he was through attacking Obama, Hannity defended Romney’s 15% tax rate by “asking,” “Is this a second bite at the apple for most of this money. In other words, did you pay tax on it earlier and then this is the second tax?”

Unfortunately for Romney, he didn’t seem to get the talking point Hannity was trying to put in his mouth. Instead, he rambled about why capital gains tax rates are lower than corporate rates.

When he was finished with the lecture, Romney tried to equate his charitable contributions with his taxes by saying, “In addition to the 15% I paid to the government, if you add up all the taxes I’ve paid as well as charitable contributions, you range between about 32 and 42% so I’m giving a pretty healthy slug back to our community.”

It’s ludicrous to equate charitable contributions with taxes since they pay for entirely different things. It also seems a rather tricky road to hoe for Romney because much of his charitable giving goes to the Mormon Church.


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Paolina Garcia commented 2012-02-02 06:27:11 -0500 · Flag
And even for those yelling bloody murder over his tax rate, at 15%, you’re forgetting that if Romney chose to renounce his American citizenship and live in a lower tax locale, he could get a 0% tax rate.

This is especially true since he is involved in private equity.
Paolina Garcia commented 2012-02-02 06:26:02 -0500 · Flag
Is this site discouraging charitable contributions?

He could’ve given 0%. He CHOSE to give millions and shouldn’t be chastised for generosity. And not all of the charity went to the church. About 30% went elsewhere. All these anti-mormon comments ring of bigotry.

Even if he DID give all of his charity to their church, they, like most churches, do have many programs that help the poor.

If anything the fact their church ENCOURAGES their members to give more is a good thing. It makes members like him, Romney, more likely to give and in turn that means more charitable giving.

And even if you want to criticize their usages of the money, most of it is either to help people OR missionary work and frankly I think sending kids overseas is never a bad thing. They come back to the country with new language skills and appreciation of foreign cultures.
Yakki PsD commented 2012-01-30 16:35:25 -0500 · Flag
Aria,I don’t care what the Mormons do. It still isn’t a tax,because he can just stop being a Mormon. Just like if he doesn’t want to pay taxes,he can stop being an American citizen.

The only hting that forces him to do it,is himself. No one is holding a gun to his head to force him to give his church anything. Which is all I’m saying.

If he’s dumbass enough to put up with that kind of garbage,then he gets what he deserves.
Aria Prescott commented 2012-01-26 18:02:30 -0500 · Flag
Not kicked out… more like nudged out the door through mistreatment. The best way to put it is that one guy at the office who wasn’t actually doing anything wrong, but everyone wanted him gone because he was messing up “the game.”

No one fired him, no one crossed the line enough for him to say squat, and they kept it up until he left on his own.

Same thing, but with religion.
Robert Urban commented 2012-01-26 16:22:21 -0500 · Flag
Aria….I had not heard that they kick people out for not ponying up the cash before. I can’t believe that they have a tax exempt status when this proves it is more of a country club mentality than a religious one. I guess they have a different take on WWJD. But all the scripture I have read was written BEFORE Jesus came to America and became Capitalistic in his teachings. Makes me believe that The Book o Mormon that I saw recently was not meant to be a comedy and more “The following is a true story” .
Aria Prescott commented 2012-01-26 15:22:44 -0500 · Flag
Yakki: Tithing is mandatory for Mormon men. You have to pay 10% each tithe. If you cannot pay the full 10%, your amount is increased for the next time. Like if you can only pay 7%, you owe 13% next time to be in compliance.

Yes, they actually put you in debt if you come up short. And I have had friends back home get pushed out for coming up short too often or being unable to pay on the grounds of strapped/unemployed/etc.

Very touchy issue with LDS- this has been part of the case for them being a cult for years, they put ’em up when you ask about their system.
el84 commented 2012-01-26 15:02:51 -0500 · Flag
There are various churches around the country that are get-rich schemes (TV preachers are the epitome) that are money-makers, and has been such throughout history. The tax advantage makes them richer.
“…Joel Osteen…at the Ritz-Carlton Beaver Creek…
Yakki PsD commented 2012-01-26 04:41:38 -0500 · Flag
As far as Mr. Romney giving to his church,good for him. I got no problem with that at all. It’s admirable.

But it’s not a tax. He’s not being forced to pay it. And he’s using it as a tax write-off. I’ve never written off anything I gave to my church or any charity. It’s,well…CHARITY.

Now that’s not saying Mit is in the wrong legally,and I’m not making a judgement morally against him. But it’s not a tax. It’s nothing like a tax. And has nothing at all whatsoever to do with him paying a nice,low tax rate compared to working Americans.

It’s an EXCUSE. And beneath contempt.
Yakki PsD commented 2012-01-26 04:36:32 -0500 · Flag
Hey,I guess if I play battlefield call of duty,that’s the same as being in the Army,isn’t it Mittens?

I should get va benefits then,right? You dumbass.
Aria Prescott commented 2012-01-26 01:01:17 -0500 · Flag
AAP, he admitted that he knows Romney’s lying, he just wants to change the subject to that we’re somehow persecuting Romney based on his religion. I say just leave him alone- maybe if he thinks he won, we can avoid another Bob.
Average American Patriot commented 2012-01-26 00:43:00 -0500 · Flag
Oh, the IRONY!

What I find to be despicable and prejudiced is how some people choose to slight Romney’s religious freedom and conviction to tithe the prescribed amount, and twist it into being somehow greedy, immoral or illegal.

So, you are indeed saying that Mittens’s religious PRESCRIBED charity donations ARE NOT Federal Income Taxes as Mittens claims!

The discussion focused on Mittens Fed Income Tax rate, then the gNOpig morons decided to tell us what a great guy he is to deflect from the basic issue of unfair taxation.

And now the gNOpigs and Mittens are reaching for straws backpedaling.
Aria Prescott commented 2012-01-26 00:04:13 -0500 · Flag
How are we “slighting” Romney’s religious freedom?

Pointing out that Mormons tithings aren’t deductable as a charity isn’t slighting anything.

Pointing out that Romney listed non-charities on his submission isn’t slighting anything.

Pointing out that Romney’s numbers don’t stand to scrutiny isn’t isn’t slighting anything.

These are called “facts”- I know they’re the enemy of the right- Romney in particular, seeing how he’s busted in a new lie almost daily now… but dem’s the breaks.
Merrick Denetsk commented 2012-01-25 23:03:58 -0500 · Flag
My point was, whether you like the guy or not, he can add, and his statement is basically correct. Taken in context, he’s clearly talking about all taxes. What I find to be despicable and prejudiced is how some people choose to slight Romney’s religious freedom and conviction to tithe the prescribed amount, and twist it into being somehow greedy, immoral or illegal. Like him or hate him, holding Romney personally accountable for his tax rate is pretty stupid, as it was Congress who wrote the tax code. Almost as stupid as the Obama birth certificate hoopla. And yes, Hannity’s an idiot, but most of the talking heads on msnbc are no better.
Robert Urban commented 2012-01-25 17:03:56 -0500 · Flag
Merrick Denetsk says: “add up all the taxes” – Massachusetts has 5.3% flat rate,…"

The problem is we are talking about FEDERAL taxes, and since I drink and smoke can I add those taxes to my federal tax yearly rate and complain about how much more I pay in taxes than people who don’t smoke and drink? I think you would say that those taxes are of my own choosing, just like giving to charity is, only I don’t get to write them off at the end of the year.
truman commented 2012-01-25 14:08:58 -0500 · Flag
Claiming that a tithe to the uber-wealthy LDS Church as a charitable contribution is a stretch. But if Mittens wants to continue the fiction, may I suggest to him a large contribution to The Truman Fund?
Aria Prescott commented 2012-01-25 13:28:55 -0500 · Flag
““add up all the taxes” – Massachusetts has 5.3% flat rate, which includes cap gains. I find it hard to fault anyone who gives 3mil in charity.”

If Romney did pay 3M in charity, you can’t fault that, but, as pointed out earlier… even if all of the groups Romney’s supporters listed can count (I already know not all of them can), he’s lying about the math. Not only that, but he’s arrogant enough to keep lying after being repeatedly contradicted by himself and others.

I can not only fault him for that, but you can bet your a$$ that I will.
Dave Jackson commented 2012-01-25 12:33:33 -0500 · Flag
I miss “like” buttons on the comments. Not a deal breaker
Dave Jackson commented 2012-01-25 12:24:33 -0500 · Flag
Tax deductible donations to a tax exempt church may be considered charity under the law. Legal and right are not always the same thing. Most of the non-profit, charity reliant organizations in my area, (and even most new churches) operate out of rented space in strip malls or rundown old municipal buildings. The LDS church has windows that are worth more than the annual budget of many other charities.

And, this “in touch with real America” guy lobbied for his sweetheart tax deal. Just think what us working people could do if we could spend more of our money than we pay in taxes to lobby congress for a better rate….oh yeah, we are all too busy working so we can afford food after we pay our taxes. Most of us didn’t inherit a ton of cash either.

Taking your “winnings” and lobbying congress for a better tax rate and claiming your gazillion $ church is a charity and then calling the president out of touch is, well, out of touch.
doors17 commented 2012-01-25 12:01:00 -0500 · Flag
I wonder how many of these donations to charity were tax deductible?
el84 commented 2012-01-25 10:47:51 -0500 · Flag
Mitt is greed personified. This two-faced money addict no more cares about people like me than a botfly. Add what his bigoted religion really says, and no way in heaven or hell would I acknowledge his presidency in the (won’t happen) impossible chance that he gets elected. Rich liar, nothing else. Predator.






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