On The Five on Friday (1/6/12), the gang discussed Chris Kyle, the most lethal Navy SEAL sniper in American history.” Kyle has a new book out and he had been a guest on The O’Reilly Factor the night before. Brian Kilmeade, guest co-host for The Five, opened the discussion by saying, “But before we get into that (Kyle’s military work), listen to what I think is his greatest takedown ever.” Kilmeade was referring to Kyle’s claim to have punched out former Navy SEAL Jesse Ventura for “bad mouthing” the Iraq war, President Bush and America. Co-host Eric Bolling was even more pleased. Over at "civil," "tolerant" Fox Nation, they were also approving.
In a clip from The O’Reilly Factor, Bill O’Reilly asked Kyle, “Why would you punch Ventura?”
Kyle answered, “Bad mouthing the war, bad mouthing Bush, bad mouthing America.”
Bolling called Kyle a “true American patriot hero” and seemed to justify the attack on Ventura by saying, “He’s got issues with 9/11 truthers.”
“Good for you. Fantastic. Thumbs up,” Bolling said.
Fox Nation went into more detail as to why Kyle attacked Ventura – from Kyle’s perspective only. Assuming it’s accurate, one can sympathize with Kyle’s anger:
Kyle, the recipient of five Bronze Stars and two Silver Stars, revealed to O’Reilly why he punched former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura, knocking him to the floor. Kyle said that he encountered Ventura at a bar while attending the wake of a fallen SEAL, and that Ventura started bad-mouthing America, then-President Bush, and the Iraq war. When Kyle asked him to tone it down so as not to upset the family, Ventura said, “You [the Navy SEALs] deserve to lose a few guys.” Kyle then punched him and took off running!
But sympathizing with anger is one thing. This is cheerleading an assault.
Apparently, the cheerleading continued in the comments section where the readers regularly root for deaths of people they don’t agree with. The comments are now closed - Fox Nation’s customary reaction to violent comments posted on deliberately inflammatory threads.
Can you imagine if some liberal decided to deck Donald Trump for bad mouthing President Obama with the completely discredited birther baloney? And a couple of MSNBC hosts plus the DailyKos cheered it on?
Sadly, The Five’s Bob Beckel joined in the pile on against Ventura by saying, “There is a testament to steroid use right there.”
Shame on them all.
Now the funny thing is…
Jesse Ventura had just finished fighting off another false flag allegation saying he had road rage and tail gated someone on the way to a CA airport, and Police where called. Even though he was not even it the state of CA " Jesse Threaten to Sue TMZ and other Media outlets" With no Police report no witness and Source was base on hear say TMZ retracted the story as False.
Jesse Respond to FOX and Kyle
If that’s the caliber of Navy Seals taht Fox supports,it’s no wonder they’re so laughable.
Screw him. He discredits the honorable name of Seal,and his uniform. Fuckin panzy.
One of the major points in his career is when he was wrestling, it was during the time when any member of the military were considered baby killers. As to Jesse’s claims about his record, who cared? For a ‘baby killer’ he was fun to watch. Jesse comes from a different time and perspective. How did we change from a nation desiring peace to sabre rattlers again?
So Kyle is applauded for hitting someone older than his dad. The fact that he claims he ran out is bothersome. For a SEAL it seems like a dick move.
My feeling is that if the story is true, it can be summed up in Predator, where after being hit he said: “I ain’t got time to bleed.”
Jesse has accomplished many things by being the self made man. He is the American Dream, and to some, a jerk.
FOGX has true love for the All-American flag waving soldier and Kyle is the flavor of the day. Many of them talk like they were vets themselves. Seems they overlook the stories about vets at the Occupy rallies or under highway bridges.
Could someone bust Ollie North’s chops soon?
The fact that you have to have such a stupid screen name says it all. Question: What is “critical thinking”?
Done. I think that also covers your ad hominem, your bias, your revisionism and your unfounded accusation that this article was created in bias.
NOT FOUND: Your evidence that the text or the article is “out of context”. You know, your original claim before you decided to just start attacking the other posters?
Before you start trying to put others on the spot, you might wanna back yourself up- like every response to you asked.
must be a liberal… Unable to disprove someone’s statement, he changes the subject, calls a person names and implies the person is lying — without backing it up with facts or logic
1. In order to make a point, you felt it necessary to put words in my mouth. I clearly never said that Kyle was within his rights to punch Ventura.
2. If Kyle is giving an accurate description of the situation, I believe the majority of seals would have been offended enough by Ventura to look the other direction as Kyle ran out of the bar
3. It’s important to note that there is no mention of Ventura (or anyone at the bar) calling/reporting the alleged event to law enforcement authorities. If that had occurred, I believe it’s likely that Kyle’s fellow-seals would have told the truth about what had occurred.
4. In my experience, police are a tight fraternity and they are very loyal in their protection of one another. If a cop were to punch me in a bar, I doubt other cops would do go out of their way to do anything about it unless the incident was reported to law enforcement.
@Aria wrote “But I guess Iâm âcontradicting myselfâ pointing that out”
1. In order to make a point, you had to completely misrepresent what I wrote.
If you read my post you will realize I wrote “Are you claiming this could never happen?, or are you completely contradicting yourself?”
I thought it was possible that you were being sarcastic, hence the reason I used the word “OR”
@Aria wrote: “I read your laughible case for the clip being out of context. I know facts arenât your strongsuit.”
2. You haven’t made a single point that would disprove my assertion that the Fox hosts’ reaction was based in part on WHO it was that had been punched.
Ventura has a history of being an obnoxious, condescending know-it-all who aggressively intimidates and bullies people that “dare” to question his logic or opinions. The article, however, did not mention this as a potential factor that may have contributed to the manner in which the Fox hosts reacted… In turn, commentors seemed to follow suit by focusing only on the fact that a person had been punched for making an anti-war statement.
I believe that a portion of the hosts’ “gushing” can be attributed to the fact that a big annoying playground bully had been knocked on his butt. I don’t believe the hosts would have reacted in a similar manner had Kyle punched Cindy Sheehan in the face. If you believe otherwise, I doubt you’ve ever actually watched the show that this clip was taken from.
2. You accuse me of stating false facts. Please cite those falsifications.
Now all we need is claudo and FrankC and we can have a REAL party!
If you’re going to claim that you have been through the training of a Navy SEAL, at least google the right motto. “Semper Fi” is the Marines- entirely different animal. The motto of the SEALs is
“Ready to Lead, Ready to Follow, Never Quit”.
Then again, isn’t the joke that marine is an acronym for “Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Expected”? I know a lot of these Tea Party Marines certainly fit that bill… most of them were thrown out for being so undisciplined and disrespectful that sending them into combat constituted a threat to the troops.
Have a nice day.
We have had quite excellent examples deserving to live in infamy.
Thou shall not bad mouth ’merka. As she is the promised land.
Beware of Ronulans, as they are nothing but LBRULS in Liberbarfhian costume. Watch out for the enema, er, enemy.
Oh, before Baby Jess forgets:
Thou shall sack anyone pointing out flaws of Dear Leader.
Baby Jess has spoken.
That Stan Jensen is a whiner who tried to hijack a post and make it all about him also has its basis in truth.
Nuh uh- if this instance was real and they did that, every last active duty member in that bar would be in it neck-deep for allowing a TRAINED KILLER to escape after going off on a civilian. This is why part of Kyle’s training is mental conditioning to stop himself with civilians who talk to him like that- it’s bad PR for his affiliation if he lapses and he’s a threat to the public once he’s violent with civilians.
Kyle claims he ran- no SEAL would have let him, for exactly why I said above. Even if they agreed with his reason, he’s working against his better judgement, so what’s to say he won’t attack other civilians who have a problem with his temper out on the street?
Same with if a cop did it- the other cops aren’t gonna let him get away with it. Even if he makes it out before anyone picks up their jaw, they’re still gonna go out and find him because he’s a TRAINED PROFESSIONAL who’s VIOLENTLY ANGRY and out on the streets. not the capped words VIOLENTLY ANGRY TRAINED PROFESSIONAL. They have to detain him, or at least accompany him home to keep him out of further trouble. And you bet your ass he’s getting reviewed, especially if it’s part of a pattern of problem behavior.
But I guess I’m “contradicting myself” pointing that out… then again, I read your laughible case for the clip being out of context. I know facts aren’t your strongsuit.
Please keep in mind that I was responding to some of the comments posted to this site, as well as, your article.
My point was that the reaction of these co-hosts wasn’t solely related to the anti-war message in itself, but it was also related to the messenger (Ventura). Much of the co-host “gushing” was based on the irony of the situation. The messenger (a man with a well-earned reputation as being an obnoxious, aggressive, know-it-all who regularly uses bullying and intimidation tactics against people who disagree with him) was given a dose of his own medicine. Someone had finally stood up to the bully on the playground. I have no idea if Kyle is telling the true and I am not defending his actions. I’m simply pointing out the entire context of the situation was not included in your article. Because, in my opinion, the entire context provides a different perspective… i.e. Human nature is to applaud the kid who punches the playground bully.
You also stated, “Can you imagine if some liberal decided to deck Donald Trump for bad mouthing President Obama with the completely discredited birther baloney?”
1. I do not support your analogy on the basis that it contends that Trump’s birther claims rise to the level of Ventura telling a dead soldier’s friends that their friend deserved to die.
2. I highly doubt these Fox hosts would defend the obnoxious, know-it-all Trump if someone were to knock him on his pompous rearend. (For the same reason I pointed out that the Fox hosts would not have had the same reaction if Kyle had punched Cindy Sheehan)
I never said anything remotely close.
I was simply pointing out that the article hadn’t put the reaction of the Fox reporters into proper context. I then basically pointed out that people who actually watch Fox News would realize these reporters would have responded much differently if Kyle had punched Cindy Sheehan (which proves this article hadn’t taken the reporters’ reaction out of context)
You can say “Fox News Lies”, and I won’t disagree with you. Now, I can say, “Jeeez lies” and no one who read both of our posts will disagree with me