On The Five on Friday (1/6/12), the gang discussed Chris Kyle, the most lethal Navy SEAL sniper in American history.” Kyle has a new book out and he had been a guest on The O’Reilly Factor the night before. Brian Kilmeade, guest co-host for The Five, opened the discussion by saying, “But before we get into that (Kyle’s military work), listen to what I think is his greatest takedown ever.” Kilmeade was referring to Kyle’s claim to have punched out former Navy SEAL Jesse Ventura for “bad mouthing” the Iraq war, President Bush and America. Co-host Eric Bolling was even more pleased. Over at "civil," "tolerant" Fox Nation, they were also approving.
In a clip from The O’Reilly Factor, Bill O’Reilly asked Kyle, “Why would you punch Ventura?”
Kyle answered, “Bad mouthing the war, bad mouthing Bush, bad mouthing America.”
Bolling called Kyle a “true American patriot hero” and seemed to justify the attack on Ventura by saying, “He’s got issues with 9/11 truthers.”
“Good for you. Fantastic. Thumbs up,” Bolling said.
Fox Nation went into more detail as to why Kyle attacked Ventura – from Kyle’s perspective only. Assuming it’s accurate, one can sympathize with Kyle’s anger:
Kyle, the recipient of five Bronze Stars and two Silver Stars, revealed to O’Reilly why he punched former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura, knocking him to the floor. Kyle said that he encountered Ventura at a bar while attending the wake of a fallen SEAL, and that Ventura started bad-mouthing America, then-President Bush, and the Iraq war. When Kyle asked him to tone it down so as not to upset the family, Ventura said, “You [the Navy SEALs] deserve to lose a few guys.” Kyle then punched him and took off running!
But sympathizing with anger is one thing. This is cheerleading an assault.
Apparently, the cheerleading continued in the comments section where the readers regularly root for deaths of people they don’t agree with. The comments are now closed - Fox Nation’s customary reaction to violent comments posted on deliberately inflammatory threads.
Can you imagine if some liberal decided to deck Donald Trump for bad mouthing President Obama with the completely discredited birther baloney? And a couple of MSNBC hosts plus the DailyKos cheered it on?
Sadly, The Five’s Bob Beckel joined in the pile on against Ventura by saying, “There is a testament to steroid use right there.”
Shame on them all.
The fact that you have to have such a stupid screen name says it all. Question: What is “critical thinking”?
Done. I think that also covers your ad hominem, your bias, your revisionism and your unfounded accusation that this article was created in bias.
NOT FOUND: Your evidence that the text or the article is “out of context”. You know, your original claim before you decided to just start attacking the other posters?
Before you start trying to put others on the spot, you might wanna back yourself up- like every response to you asked.
Now all we need is claudo and FrankC and we can have a REAL party!
If you’re going to claim that you have been through the training of a Navy SEAL, at least google the right motto. “Semper Fi” is the Marines- entirely different animal. The motto of the SEALs is
“Ready to Lead, Ready to Follow, Never Quit”.
Then again, isn’t the joke that marine is an acronym for “Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Expected”? I know a lot of these Tea Party Marines certainly fit that bill… most of them were thrown out for being so undisciplined and disrespectful that sending them into combat constituted a threat to the troops.
Have a nice day.
We have had quite excellent examples deserving to live in infamy.
Thou shall not bad mouth ’merka. As she is the promised land.
Beware of Ronulans, as they are nothing but LBRULS in Liberbarfhian costume. Watch out for the enema, er, enemy.
Oh, before Baby Jess forgets:
Thou shall sack anyone pointing out flaws of Dear Leader.
Baby Jess has spoken.
Nuh uh- if this instance was real and they did that, every last active duty member in that bar would be in it neck-deep for allowing a TRAINED KILLER to escape after going off on a civilian. This is why part of Kyle’s training is mental conditioning to stop himself with civilians who talk to him like that- it’s bad PR for his affiliation if he lapses and he’s a threat to the public once he’s violent with civilians.
Kyle claims he ran- no SEAL would have let him, for exactly why I said above. Even if they agreed with his reason, he’s working against his better judgement, so what’s to say he won’t attack other civilians who have a problem with his temper out on the street?
Same with if a cop did it- the other cops aren’t gonna let him get away with it. Even if he makes it out before anyone picks up their jaw, they’re still gonna go out and find him because he’s a TRAINED PROFESSIONAL who’s VIOLENTLY ANGRY and out on the streets. not the capped words VIOLENTLY ANGRY TRAINED PROFESSIONAL. They have to detain him, or at least accompany him home to keep him out of further trouble. And you bet your ass he’s getting reviewed, especially if it’s part of a pattern of problem behavior.
But I guess I’m “contradicting myself” pointing that out… then again, I read your laughible case for the clip being out of context. I know facts aren’t your strongsuit.
My point was that the article takes the reaction of the Fox reporters out of context.
No, I put the comments of the Fox co-hosts (they were not reporters) completely in context. They did not mention what Ventura (allegedly) had done to generate the punch beyond Kyle’s "he bad mouthed Bush, etc.) remark that was in a clip. It was Fox Nation’s online article that gave more context.
Also, I don’t think anybody is defending Ventura’s comments, at least I am definitely not, assuming Kyle’s version is true.I think good points have been raised here to question Kyle’s veracity, too. But putting that aside, what I wrote was that Fox had been cheerleading an assault. Regardless of what anyone says, if it’s not a direct threat, I don’t believe anyone has the right to hit someone else (and run away) no matter how awful.
Furthermore, Kilmeade called the Ventura punch Kyle’s “greatest takedown ever.” There was no context that modified what he said. Nobody challenged him. Eric Bolling added on the props. That means that none of The Five had a problem with characterizing Ventura as an enemy worse than anyone we’re actually at war with.
While I still think trolls of your sort are probably rewarded per post I’m also coming to believe there’s a bonus system to increase compensation based on the number of overwrought winger cliches you can work into those messages.
On a post only two up from the one I co-authored about Fox News viewers wishing murder and rape on Nancy Pelosi.
Nice to see that isn’t “tangible” to you.
Stan, Ventura has a history of running his mouth. Years ago, he got caught in lies about things he accomplished during his own service in the Navy. But re-read my post. It pretty much explains the holes in Kyle’s story.
However, it is a certainty that Stan Jansen IS bullshit.
“The event this man spoke of never happened. I have been to Mc Pâs many times since leaving the Navy. I was never there alone. I was always accompanied by other people. If this happened 6 years ago, someone would have known of it before now. Certainly in the UDT/SEAL community it would have been known. This has to be news to all of us.
I have always opposed the war in Iraq but I have never spoken or wished any ill will towards the soldiers. My heart aches that soldiers have died or been wounded because this war should never have taken place. I am perplexed over the agenda this man has and why a fellow Navy Seal would tell a lie about an event that never happened.”
Not that I’m a defender of Ventura, but the point is that why hasn’t any of the MANY other people present ever mentioned the incident?
Hey G.I.‘s: Sometimes you’re nothing more than paid killers for a crooked government. The Iraq war is a classic example.
Thou shalt not do murder.
Aria, I think you’ve nailed it: BULLSHIT!
Yeah, any legitimate news organization would have some of his SEAL buddies, the bartender, or witnesses there to vouch for his “bravery.” Not Fux, of course, since they live in their own psychotic fantasy world that has no connection to real news.
Or let me re-word that… a man confirmed to be a decorated officer of one of the most well-trained and conditioned military affiliations in the world, who are required to be the unwaivering epitome of discipline just to graduate training ran away from a 60 year old man he had just knocked out?
I call bullsh*t.
Even if Ventura was running his mouth, Kyle had been trained explicitly to walk away from such behavior from because his training forbids him from using force against a civilian unless that civilian is posing an immediate and tangible threat.
Which brings me to my next point- If Kyle was in his rights, he had no reason to run. The other SEALS would have vouched for him. He added in that he had to flee a bar full of active military who had just seen him lay hands on a civilian. Never gonna happen- they would have kept him in the bar until the police arrived and if he was good enough at melee to fight his way out, he’d be sitting in a cell right now for assaulting people who are active military.
Keep in mind the “if”- Kyle was a hell of a marksman, but what are the chances that he would be good enough at unarmed combat to disable a room full of men at least as well trained as he is? And being a marksman, someone who was being specified for a position with more emphasis on melee and unarmed combat would have wiped the floor with him while the others watched.
His tale kinda reads like an ex-cop who says he went into a police haunt and punched out another ex-cop twice his age, then the active cops let him run out. Despite that it’s their f*cking job to protect society from people like him.
This is before all the other crap that’s such an easily debunked load that even Hamilton Burger could discredit it into oblivion. Like that he’s admitting it was assault with pre-meditation and intent on national television and not one law enforcement official has decided his televised confession is actionable.
I could go on this for hours, but let’s leave it here.
Kyle should be arrested and placed behind bars. Let’s see if he’s man enough to punch his fellow cellmates.