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More O’Reilly Credibility Questions: Murder Of El Salvador Nuns Edition

Posted by Brian and Ellen -19pc on February 25, 2015 · Flag

Bill O’Reilly has said he saw nuns getting executed while reporting on a civil war in El Salvador in 1981. Now he says he meant he saw it on video after the fact.

From Media Matters:

O’Reilly has spoken on several occasions about his time covering the Salvadoran civil war as a CBS correspondent in 1981, suggesting at least twice that he witnessed the murder of the churchwomen. On the September 27, 2005, edition of his talk-radio program The Radio Factor, O’Reilly said, “I’ve seen guys gun down nuns in El Salvador.” And on the December 14, 2012, edition of his Fox News show, O’Reilly spoke of telling his mother that “I was in El Salvador and I saw nuns get shot in the back of the head.”

But the incident occurred on December 2, 1980, before O’Reilly arrived in El Salvador, according to his own account. More from Media Matters:

However, O’Reilly could not possibly have witnessed the murder of the churchwomen if his own timeline is to be believed. The former CBS correspondent only arrived in El Salvador in 1981, as he mentioned on the February 22, 2002, edition of The O’Reilly Factor, saying (according to Nexis transcript), “Before I went to El Salvador in 1981, I talked with some experienced Latin American experts, people who had seen the brutal wars down there for themselves. I had never been in a war zone before, so I wanted some prep.”

In 2009, O’Reilly said in an interview that he had arrived in El Salvador “right after” the nuns were killed.

O’REILLY: Now, a Jesuit priest told me that in El Salvador. It was interesting, I was talking to the guy because these nuns had been slaughtered in El Salvador, and I was down there right after that—they shot like a dozen, killed a dozen nuns. 

In the same interview, by the way, O’Reilly talked about covering the protest in Buenos Aires:

“Here in the United States we would use tear gas and rubber bullets. They were doing real bullets. They were just gunning these people down, shooting them down in the street.”

But the video O’Reilly aired on his own show this week to prove his Buenos Aires claims showed no real bullets, no people being gunned down in the streets.

In a statement to Mediaite, Bill O’Reilly claims he meant that he saw the nuns executed on video, not that he saw them executed in real time.

“While in El Salvador, reporters were shown horrendous images of violence that were never broadcast, including depictions of nuns who were murdered. The mention of the nuns on my program came the day of the Newtown massacre (December 14, 2012). The segment was about evil and how hard it is for folks to comprehend it. I used the murdered nuns as an example of that evil. That’s what I am referring to when I say ‘I saw nuns get shot in the back of the head.’ No one could possibly take that segment as reporting on El Salvador.”

But O’Reilly certainly implied he saw it happen. Watch the videos below and decide for yourself.

By the way, Mediaite reports that Fox News has also responded – predictably by going on the attack:

Bill O’Reilly has already addressed several claims leveled against him. This is nothing more than an orchestrated campaign by far left advocates Mother Jones and Media Matters. Responding to the unproven accusation du jour has become an exercise in futility. FOX News maintains its staunch support of O’Reilly, who is no stranger to calculated onslaughts.”

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Michael Harris commented 2015-02-27 05:05:57 -0500 · Flag
Bill No’Reality
Drew Phillips commented 2015-02-27 04:48:27 -0500 · Flag
From this day forth, Bill O’Reilly will be named Bill Oh Really?
Michael Harris commented 2015-02-26 17:51:19 -0500 · Flag
I just saw a picture of Neil Armstrong and now I’ve been on the moon!!! Man I’m seeing and experiencing so many things using the “O’Reilly Logic” and I’m only on the As in my Google image search!
Michael Harris commented 2015-02-26 17:51:03 -0500 · Flag
I just saw a picture of Neil Armstrong and now I’ve been on the moon!!! Man I’m seeing and experiencing so many things using the “O’Reilly Logic” and I’m only on the As in my Google image search!
Joseph West commented 2015-02-26 16:11:42 -0500 · Flag
@ truman: I remember that Cronkite show (though the early 1970s Saturday morning version). As I recall, it wasn’t “fictionalized” as much as it was “dramatized” (basically a precursor to all those docudramas we see on The History Channel and the like). The stories were done with as much historical accuracy as possible and as little of the mythology that surrounds a large deal of US history. If anything, their only flaw was not having as much knowledge as we now have (and they didn’t seem to be as agenda-focused as some programs that seem to be so prevalent on the History Channel et al).

(I also remember a PBS series hosted by Steve Allen called “Meeting of Minds.” The concept here was that Allen would hold a panel discussion of various historical figures—like a panel of Emily Dickinson, Attila the Hun, Charles Darwin and Galileo. Completely scripted but done in a way so that everything seemed spontaneous just like a real panel show.)
Joseph West commented 2015-02-26 15:50:20 -0500 · Flag
Kevin Koster wrote “O’Reilly’s fans are becoming completely unhinged at this. At Deadline Hollywood, some of them are just hurling invective around without having any evidence to support themselves.”

In other words, just another Thursday.
Kevin Koster commented 2015-02-26 14:47:13 -0500 · Flag
I agree with Muto’s idea – basically that cooler heads at Fox News have been able to get O’Reilly to stop fanning the fire for a minute in the thought that it will die out on its own.

I’ve sent a question to Muto to see if my perception of O’Reilly’s thinking here feels correct to him.

And of course, Fox News did go ahead and mount another attack after these articles went up, but it was clearly less enthusiastic about it. The funniest part of their thinking was to say that this was some kind of “orchestrated campaign”. I suggested on one site that the simpler explanation is more plausible – that Corn’s article prompted more people to come out of the woodwork with their own stories about O’Reilly’s inventions.
d d commented 2015-02-26 14:20:44 -0500 · Flag
Make sure and check out the Gawker link within the Salon article.- scroll down and read the response from Joe Muto (who used to work for BOR before he got fired). As someone who used to work there, I think his inside take on why FOX “news” is no longer commenting on the BOR debacle is very plausible.

BOR is nothing if not transparent. From the end of the Salon article:

“The O’Reilly Factor” did, however, include two segments last night that seemed suspiciously apropos.

[…]

If this seems like a transparent response to his detractors, O’Reilly goes on to insist that it’s the wellbeing of Hillary Clinton that he’s concerned for. (Uh huh.) “So here’s the truth,” he says in summation. “The truth really doesn’t matter anymore, does it?”

Well does it, Bill?"

http://www.salon.com/2015/02/26/bill_oreillys_self_righteous_sneak_attack_how_he_lashed_out_at_detractors_while_pretending_to_take_the_high_road/
truman commented 2015-02-26 09:40:16 -0500 · Flag
@erich Pomfret. I was thinking along the lines of the old Walter Cronkite TV series “You are There.” Cronkite played a TV reporter who covered historical events as though they were breaking news; e.g. the Hindenburg crash, the Salem witch trials and Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address. Bildo would be a perfect fit for fictionalized news. He’s done it for years.
Erich Pomfret commented 2015-02-26 08:31:48 -0500 · Flag
I’m out of the country, in a liberal bastion, so I need to ask: Is it true they’re considering re-naming his show the “O’Really? Factor”, and doing a series of Believe It or Not segments based on his career?
Antoinette commented 2015-02-26 02:00:42 -0500 · Flag
Billy’s report on El Salvador (CBS News, May 20, 1982)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkuZtImMOjQ
Kevin Koster commented 2015-02-26 01:48:36 -0500 · Flag
O’Reilly’s fans are becoming completely unhinged at this. At Deadline Hollywood, some of them are just hurling invective around without having any evidence to support themselves. It’s quite surreal trying to deal with them as any point one makes gets a response that sounds like “I know you are, but what am I?”

The reality is that O’Reilly’s reputation is taking another large beating from this. He won’t see any consequences in the short term, but his long term legacy gets yet another set of demerits. Which is clearly why he and Fox News are so angry about this.
d d commented 2015-02-25 23:39:34 -0500 · Flag
“I’ve seen guys gun down nuns in El Salvador.” And on the December 14, 2012, edition of his Fox News show, O’Reilly spoke of telling his mother that “I was in El Salvador and I saw nuns get shot in the back of the head.”

Bill O’Reilly claims he meant that he saw the nuns executed on video, not that he saw them executed in real time.
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Then why didn’t you say that you saw a VIDEO which showed guys gunning down nuns in El Salvador, BOR? Why didn’t you say that, while you were in El Salvador, you saw a VIDEO in which nuns were shot in the back of the head? It’s one word but a very important word. Geez.
mlp ! commented 2015-02-25 20:25:41 -0500 · Flag
It’s really fun watching this ass try to bully his way through this. I have the same amount of sympathy for him as he had for Dr. Tiller.
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