Tamara Holder was a textbook case for how liberals should behave on Fox, especially on Hannity. During a debate about Fast and Furious and the House Republicans who voted earlier to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, she demanded equal time, refused to be over-talked or insulted and, best of all, refused to allow her opponent to play the patriotism card against her. The fact that Holder’s opponent was Michelle Malkin made it all that much sweeter.
Poor Michelle Malkin. First, she was called on her incivility by Sally Kohn early this month. Then her widdle feewings were hurt last week when Juan Williams said, “I’m a real reporter, I’m not a blogger.” Now came Holder on last night’s Hannity.
Holder’s essential point was that the House Committee Republicans who had voted to cite Holder had acted precipitously, instead of letting the investigation play out, whereas Malkin alleged that Holder was obstructing justice.
When Sean Hannity began interrupting Holder’s first statement, she said, “Give me the same amount of time that you give all of your Republican friends.”
And Hannity backed off. Twice.
In her most sanctimonious, condescending tone, Malkin addressed what she called the “tiresome blame-Bush card because I don’t think that Tamara knows what she’s talking about when we talk about the differences between Fast and Furious and Operation Wide Receiver and Project Gunrunner.”
Holder smartly interrupted to take exception to the accusation that she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. Hannity had to step in and let Malkin finish her point.
Which – Surprise! Surprise! – was full of more sneers and jeers. “For some of us, the core issues of national security, Second Amendment rights, integrity in government actually matters. It is not just some sort of TV game debate for us.” She concluded with, “The blood is on your people’s hands, Tamara.”
Holder snapped back, “No, actually, we’re all Americans and it’s on all of our hands.” As Holder continued to try to talk, Malkin interrupted again. So Holder said, “Can I finish?”
Malkin erupted in wide-eyed fury, saying, “I’m not gonna let you get away with that lie!” But Holder placed her elbows on the table, paused dramatically – and Malkin shut up.
Beautifully done.
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Ellen commented
2012-06-22 02:42:02 -0400
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Folks, I don’t agree with heirspin but he or she is being respectful and deserves the same in return.
Visitor 55 commented
2012-06-21 21:35:20 -0400
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@heirspin “Malkin was telling the truth as per the actual documents in the investigation.”
Oh, you mean the investigation by the neocons? Oh yeah, that proves that sneering malkin wasn’t lying. (eyeroll) Really heirspin, you must think everyone is as stupid as right-wing apologists.
Please provide proof…CREDIBLE PROOF, that Tamara Holder was lying. By credible I mean anything but a right-wing shitsite.
Oh, you mean the investigation by the neocons? Oh yeah, that proves that sneering malkin wasn’t lying. (eyeroll) Really heirspin, you must think everyone is as stupid as right-wing apologists.
Please provide proof…CREDIBLE PROOF, that Tamara Holder was lying. By credible I mean anything but a right-wing shitsite.
heirsinhope commented
2012-06-21 21:12:43 -0400
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@Visitor 55 & @Aria Prescott: I don’t depend on Fox. in fact, I don’t have a TV. instead, I subscribe to a couple of news sites (both right & left) & then engage in research. I accept nothing as fact until I see the actual supporting evidence. Malkin was telling the truth as per the actual documents in the investigation. not the truth as per Issa’s or any other person’s accusations but the truth as per the emails those involved wrote, as per the ATF reports, as per redacted wiretaps, as per the DOJ’s documents on Wide Receiver & F&F. (see the next para to learn what redacted means or use a dictionary)
Arial dear, you may not understand what an “in camera” review is because you’ve not spent years as a litigator. I have. it’s simple. privileged & sensitive documents are reviewed all the time by a judge or the ranking members of a committee. when they see privileged or sensitive information, it is redacted (covered w/ white tape made for the purpose), copies are made & only those redacted copies, which no longer contain the privileged or sensitive information are made public. I’ve had my own personal notes reviewed by a judge on more than one occasion & testified about them as well. the transcripts are sealed &, when it was determined that my notes were privileged, they were returned to me; the opposing attys didn’t even get a peek. w/ “in camera” reviews & redacting privileged & sensitive information, justice is served & no agents are compromised.
as for David Codrea’s column & Mike Vanderboegh’s blog, they just happen to be the sites where you can find every single F&F document & every single Wide Receiver document available. Codrea & Vanderboegh are the Bernstein & Woodward of F&F. the 1st whistleblowers came to them. they developed witnesses & broke the story. they also convinced Issa to investigate: Codrea’s letter asking Issa to begin the investigation is available on his blog. just use the links I provided. but don’t stop there. double check everything they say. search for the govt docs (they’re available online). do the research for yourself. I did.
Arial dear, you may not understand what an “in camera” review is because you’ve not spent years as a litigator. I have. it’s simple. privileged & sensitive documents are reviewed all the time by a judge or the ranking members of a committee. when they see privileged or sensitive information, it is redacted (covered w/ white tape made for the purpose), copies are made & only those redacted copies, which no longer contain the privileged or sensitive information are made public. I’ve had my own personal notes reviewed by a judge on more than one occasion & testified about them as well. the transcripts are sealed &, when it was determined that my notes were privileged, they were returned to me; the opposing attys didn’t even get a peek. w/ “in camera” reviews & redacting privileged & sensitive information, justice is served & no agents are compromised.
as for David Codrea’s column & Mike Vanderboegh’s blog, they just happen to be the sites where you can find every single F&F document & every single Wide Receiver document available. Codrea & Vanderboegh are the Bernstein & Woodward of F&F. the 1st whistleblowers came to them. they developed witnesses & broke the story. they also convinced Issa to investigate: Codrea’s letter asking Issa to begin the investigation is available on his blog. just use the links I provided. but don’t stop there. double check everything they say. search for the govt docs (they’re available online). do the research for yourself. I did.
Visitor 55 commented
2012-06-21 20:19:02 -0400
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Um, heirsin, sneering malkin was the one lying. But hey, if you’re one of the sheep who only watches FoxGOPTV, I can understand your ignorance.
Aria Prescott commented
2012-06-21 20:18:59 -0400
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Pats heirsinhope on the head
It’s ok, dear… you’ll realize why no one can understand your posts after you take your medication.
It’s ok, dear… you’ll realize why no one can understand your posts after you take your medication.
heirsinhope commented
2012-06-21 19:14:19 -0400
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@Aria Prescott, are you kidding? you honestly think that producing the subpoenaed docs to Congress will declassify agents? do you know what an “in camera” review is? it’s a review of sensitive documents by only those who need to know. if any portion of them is made public, any info that would identify an agent is redacted. there is absolutely no danger of agents being declassified. where did you get that idea?
heirsinhope commented
2012-06-21 19:06:11 -0400
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@Aria Prescott, your 1st para is most instructive but what is this about botched tactics. Wide Receiver guns were tracked & none of them were lost. still, when it became known, it was stopped. in F&F, the guns were not tracked. there was absolutely no attempt to track guns except by those ATF agents who did so of their own choice.
this really concerns me: "The only difference between this and botched operations under âOperation Wide Receiverâ is that the right is demanding that Holder put the agents involved in danger by declassifying them. "
how is the right demanding that Holder do this? along w/ Eric Holder, the following have been subpoenaed: David Ogden, Former Deputy Attorney General; Gary Grindler, Officer of the Attorney General and former Acting Deputy Attorney General; James Cole, Deputy Attorney General; Lanny Breuer, Assistant Attorney General; Kenneth Blanco, Deputy Assistant Attorney General; Jason Weinstein, Deputy Assistant Attorney General; John Keeney, Deputy Assistant Attorney General; Matt Axelrod, Associate Deputy Attorney General; Ed Siskel, Former Associate Deputy Attorney General; Brad Smith, Office of the Deputy Attorney General; Kevin Carwhile, Section Chief, Capitol Case Unit; and Joseph Cooley, Criminal Fraud Section.
Kenneth Melson met w/ the committee of his own accord, he was not subpoenaed. none of these persons is an agent. I’ve been following this story since the beginning & have never encountered a subpoena for undercover agents. perhaps I’ve missed something. would you please provide your source?
this really concerns me: "The only difference between this and botched operations under âOperation Wide Receiverâ is that the right is demanding that Holder put the agents involved in danger by declassifying them. "
how is the right demanding that Holder do this? along w/ Eric Holder, the following have been subpoenaed: David Ogden, Former Deputy Attorney General; Gary Grindler, Officer of the Attorney General and former Acting Deputy Attorney General; James Cole, Deputy Attorney General; Lanny Breuer, Assistant Attorney General; Kenneth Blanco, Deputy Assistant Attorney General; Jason Weinstein, Deputy Assistant Attorney General; John Keeney, Deputy Assistant Attorney General; Matt Axelrod, Associate Deputy Attorney General; Ed Siskel, Former Associate Deputy Attorney General; Brad Smith, Office of the Deputy Attorney General; Kevin Carwhile, Section Chief, Capitol Case Unit; and Joseph Cooley, Criminal Fraud Section.
Kenneth Melson met w/ the committee of his own accord, he was not subpoenaed. none of these persons is an agent. I’ve been following this story since the beginning & have never encountered a subpoena for undercover agents. perhaps I’ve missed something. would you please provide your source?
heirsinhope commented
2012-06-21 18:43:16 -0400
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did you watch the same program I did? Malkin told the truth while Holder lied. perhaps it’s because you don’t know the difference between Wide Receiver & Fast & Furious. @Aria Prescott provided some directions for you to get up to speed & I’ll help you even more. just click this link: http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/david-codrea & begin reading all about F&F. David Codrea & Mike Vanderboegh were the 1st blogger/reporters to investigate F&F. they convinced Issa that there was something worth investigating. (I didn’t include a link to Vanderboegh’s blog because I want to make this easy on you. if you want to read his work, many of the whistle blowers 1st approached him, Codrea links to nearly every one of his posts.) oh, they include screen shots & images of everything from docs re Wide Receiver to docs re F&F. you can read & compare & you’ll soon see, F&F has nothing to do w/ Wide Receiver.
Paul Gould commented
2012-06-21 15:03:56 -0400
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Good on Ms. Holder! Well done!
And, as an aside, am I the only one that’s come to the conclusion that our humorous Mr. Patel just has to be a parody troll? The only other way to look at it is to hope that he doesn’t breed and pass that terminal ickiness (not to mention ignorance) on to his progeny…
And, as an aside, am I the only one that’s come to the conclusion that our humorous Mr. Patel just has to be a parody troll? The only other way to look at it is to hope that he doesn’t breed and pass that terminal ickiness (not to mention ignorance) on to his progeny…
Lakeview Greg commented
2012-06-21 14:54:02 -0400
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We live in a world economy. The effects of one country does affect every other country. Just a matter of time and degree. By the time the world’s leaders realize that the economic problem requires a global solution, it will in all likelihood be too late.
Aria Prescott commented
2012-06-21 14:52:05 -0400
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Hey Michael Schmitt: Before you let your fingers outrun your brain again, why don’t you google “Project Gunrunner?” Then give a few minutes to google and “Operation Wide Receiver.” And while you’re at it, google the actual term “Gun Walking.”
It’s a TACTIC used to pinpoint the recipients of illegal arms sales by tracing the circulation of guns using trackers. It’s supposedly been in use for a very long time, we only know about since 2006. When it works, you bet your ass it gets results. When it doesn’t, or gets botched… they get the guns, people end up dead and your best bet to minimize retribution against agents is to keep it classified.
The only difference between this and botched operations under “Operation Wide Receiver” is that the right is demanding that Holder put the agents involved in danger by declassifying them.
But it’s nice to see that you endorse both cop killing and actions that could lead to a mandatory censorship of the 2nd amendment, just because Fox News told youto. You true American, you.
It’s a TACTIC used to pinpoint the recipients of illegal arms sales by tracing the circulation of guns using trackers. It’s supposedly been in use for a very long time, we only know about since 2006. When it works, you bet your ass it gets results. When it doesn’t, or gets botched… they get the guns, people end up dead and your best bet to minimize retribution against agents is to keep it classified.
The only difference between this and botched operations under “Operation Wide Receiver” is that the right is demanding that Holder put the agents involved in danger by declassifying them.
But it’s nice to see that you endorse both cop killing and actions that could lead to a mandatory censorship of the 2nd amendment, just because Fox News told youto. You true American, you.
Frank Howard commented
2012-06-21 14:44:37 -0400
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A few other thoughts…
(1) Who is that commentator on Fox who supposedly interprets body language? I would love to hear their read on Holder vs. Malkin.
(2) My wife suggests that Hannity’s wife is more like Malkin than Holder – someone who tells him how brilliant he is rather than someone who stands their ground against him.
(3) An excellent research project would be to measure:
(a) amount of time Hannity gives to each panelists (and a measure as to how often/much he interrupts them or makes snide remarks while they are speaking);
(b) amount of time spent by Hannity speaking (since his positions are no mystery); my guess is that he spends about 50% talking…
(1) Who is that commentator on Fox who supposedly interprets body language? I would love to hear their read on Holder vs. Malkin.
(2) My wife suggests that Hannity’s wife is more like Malkin than Holder – someone who tells him how brilliant he is rather than someone who stands their ground against him.
(3) An excellent research project would be to measure:
(a) amount of time Hannity gives to each panelists (and a measure as to how often/much he interrupts them or makes snide remarks while they are speaking);
(b) amount of time spent by Hannity speaking (since his positions are no mystery); my guess is that he spends about 50% talking…
Visitor 55 commented
2012-06-21 14:18:05 -0400
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@Brian, yes, I know France is a sinking ship and Germany too. Economic experts around the world agree that it’s because of the austerity measures that the conservatives have been forcing that has caused it. I’ve been to Europe too, that doesn’t make either you or me an expert. So, I’m going to believe the economic experts.
I’m glad you screamed bloody murder when dumbya and his misadministration shredded the Constitution. Good for you. I think you missed my point that Rich S. may have been throwing that quote back in hypocrite neocon faces. I’ve not seen anyone here with the “sport mentality” you believe you see.
I’m glad you screamed bloody murder when dumbya and his misadministration shredded the Constitution. Good for you. I think you missed my point that Rich S. may have been throwing that quote back in hypocrite neocon faces. I’ve not seen anyone here with the “sport mentality” you believe you see.
Brian Shanahan commented
2012-06-21 14:07:20 -0400
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@Joseph West: Put your team flag down and calm down… I"m NOT GOP or Dem… I’ve considered myself a libertarian since the late 80s. Although i don’t agree with Ron Paul 100 percent of the time, I give him credit for being one of the very few who will stand up and say something about constitutional offenses or infringements on our personal liberties..
Frank Howard commented
2012-06-21 14:07:15 -0400
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In my opinion, Tamara Holder was brilliant given the obstacles placed in front of her by Hannity (fair & balanced?). The cynical side of me wonders whether such “debates” are a cheesy attempt by Hannity to boost the “entertainment” factor of his program – I’m sure that many of his male viewers love a good “cat fight.”
Brian Shanahan commented
2012-06-21 14:01:14 -0400
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@Visitor 55: I screamed bloody murder when Bush overstepped the constitution and I’m doing the same now… My point is STOP the “sports teams” mentality and together, as a nation, hold all politicians accountable !! PS – i’ve lived all over Europe for over a decade, France included, still have friends and family there, and you are DEAD WRONG! France is a sinking ship and Germany will soon stop bailing them out!
patrick tolle commented
2012-06-21 13:20:00 -0400
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@ Ricky/Tawdry- I wonder do you have to shave the palms of your hands every morning? You do know if she weren’t an anchor baby and the recipient of a free pass on the wingnut welfare gravy train she’d likely have ended up plying the oldest trade on the streets outside the gates of the now closed Subic Bay base.
I suspect our other troll couldn’t see it not because of where it was sitting,but rather how.I’d presume you’d end up sitting on your shoulders with your head inserted where most trolls habitually have theirs.
Every time I see Ms. Maglalang and Shun Sannity together I get the distinct impression that the display cases at a green grocers would likely have a higher IQ.
I suspect our other troll couldn’t see it not because of where it was sitting,but rather how.I’d presume you’d end up sitting on your shoulders with your head inserted where most trolls habitually have theirs.
Every time I see Ms. Maglalang and Shun Sannity together I get the distinct impression that the display cases at a green grocers would likely have a higher IQ.
Michael Schmitt commented
2012-06-21 13:02:16 -0400
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Hey Aria Prescott, did you ever hear the one: âguns don’t kill people, people kill peopleâ? You say the guns were walking. Do guns have feet now? A big deal is made of the fact that two âwalkingâ guns were found at the site where the Border Patrol Officer was killed. Are these two guns in prison? Guns are people too, my friend. Do a little investigation regarding the malfeasance of the managers and supervisors at ATF. Street Agents do not now have any ability to independently conduct themselves as they have in the past. All decisions are made by ATF Managers, many of these decisions are derided by the Agents who work the street and put their lives on line each and every day. The upshot is that the street agents make top money, more than their bosses!
Antoinette commented
2012-06-21 12:57:08 -0400
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This is what we are talking about. Take a lesson from Tamara Holder. She destroyed this self-hating pitbull with one swipe.
Malkin is a coward. If you see the little woman in person, question her views. You will be lucky to get an answer. She has a nasty habit of running off than responding to questions.
NOTE TO HANNITY
Given your history and what you have done, you are the last person to call someone else less than truthful.
NOTE TO MALKIN
Coward!
Malkin is a coward. If you see the little woman in person, question her views. You will be lucky to get an answer. She has a nasty habit of running off than responding to questions.
NOTE TO HANNITY
Given your history and what you have done, you are the last person to call someone else less than truthful.
NOTE TO MALKIN
Coward!
