Mitt Romney may have won the debate with Barack Obama but he threw truth and facts out the window while he was polishing up his presidential act. Today, Fox & Friends not only dismissed concerns for the truth but actually attacked Democrats for making it an issue. (h/t bemused)
During a discussion this morning with Laura Ingraham on the subject of Romney’s truthfulness, or lack thereof, they played a clip of Democrats and other liberals accusing Romney of having lied during the debate. Afterward, Steve Doocey sneered, “That’s all they got?”
To help him along, a banner on the screen read: “WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS…? Democrats call Romney a liar.”
Rather than do any fact-checking, Ingraham said Romney “came across as extremely knowledgeable and also a gracious person… I think the lie attack… it just doesn’t fly when you’re talking about Romney… I just think, looking at Mitt Romney, ‘he’s a big liar.’ Substantively, it doesn’t add up.”
In other words, Romney doesn’t look like a liar so there’s no point in even considering if he might actually have told lies.
Gretchen Carlson didn’t show any interest in proving Romney truthful, either. Instead, she wondered if Romney’s bounce in the polls might be due to Democrats calling him a liar.
No, said Ingraham, though she called that an “interesting” theory. It’s because Romney looks like a leader.
I think the debate is a lot of it. …In a time when our country is in such great turmoil and crisis, people look to a steady hand. And Romney looked like that steady hand. It’s like he had the hand firmly gripping the tiller. And I think that was very convincing to people.
But what none of the Curvy Couch hosts bothered to tell the “we report, you decide” network’s audience is just how many untruths Romney told during the debate:
Romney’s own website contradicts his statement in the debate, “I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans,”
The Romney campaign walked back his debate falsehood that “half” of the green companies receiving grants or loans as part of the Recovery Act had gone out of business.”
Romney misrepresented his own health care plan.
Think Progress counted a total of 27 myths in 38 minutes of his speaking time in the debate.
Perhaps one reason Fox didn’t want to go into the actuality of whether or not Romney had told the truth is because, as Media Matters demonstrated, much of Romney’s dishonesty came straight from Fox News.
I agree Romney won the debate. But for news hosts to pretend that facts don’t matter is not just dishonest but fraudulent.
Just as having a beer with a recovering alcoholic was supposedly THE criteria for selecting a president in ’04, listening to lies from a good-looking father of 5 boys apparently is the criteria today . . .
@James Bain and Don D: Thanks for the interesting links.
Although people (me included) do tend to conflate deficit with debt when chatting about them, it’s pretty clear that there will be less/no need to borrow if spending does not exceed revenues. What Bush did violated that simple rule and it seems to me that Romney is proposing the same “policy” (I used that word advisedly)
Personally, I couldn’t care less if a candidate “looks presidential”. I want one who can do the math and remember what he says from one day to the next.
As I was saying it appears to me that a lot of folks keep confusing DEFICIT with DEBT. DEFICITS are measured annually and usually are measured in billions to less than 2 trillion, DEBT is cumulative and measured in multiple trillions. According to the article below, Clinton had NO DEFICIT (surplus) 3 out of 4 years. Clinton left the DEBT at just north of $5.5T ( Bear in mind though that Clinton had the Internet .com boom and Bush got the bust), Bush took it to just over $10T and it’s now over $16T. According to the graph in the article in one of the previous posts below, DEFICITS under O are decreasing year over year ($1.5T to $1.1T) so that’s good news yet the right keeps harping about Obama’s spending is driving the debt up. One should question that…unless of course you ARE a Fox sheep then you just repeatedly bleat what you hear there without question. Remember that “correlation does not imply causation”, much the same as with the gas price argument. A quick search will clue you in: Bush tax cuts, war finance and interest on existing debt…policies in place before O took office. The Bush tax cuts may have been necessary but that’s another argument and it’s included here not as blame but as an illustration how letting those policies continue directly affect the current rate of debt accumulation. The graph below illustrates the tax cut and war effect and anyone who carries a credit card balance can tell you how the interest compounding increases your overall debt numbers. The bottom line is, until there is a surplus (not just zero DEFICIT) in the budget (you’ve got to pay more than the minimum on the China MasterCard!) the DEBT number will keep increasing no matter who is in office.
“Once you believe that the dogma is the one final answer to all human ills, if it is the final answer then no sacrifice is too great for it, and even if you were to kill for it then this is the one end to permanent bliss, happiness of mankind then surely it is worth it. If you believe there is a single answer to a single question the true answer, all the other answers being false, and all these answers can be put together and harmonized with each other and create the perfect universe then there is the temptation, if you think you have it, to do awful things.” – Isaiah Berlin
The Curvy Couch Propaganda, The Killer O’Reilly Fatwas (against women), the Sean Kkklannity Racism, the Rupert Murdoch Corruption of Politics, Police & Privacy Scandals, Father Jonathan Morris Voting Advice, all part of The Murdoch Empire of Obedience.
Sadly, folks, this sort of mindless regurgitation of “facts” isn’t going away anytime soon. No one who reads Hedges, or any of dozens of other rather observant and articulate social analysts could ever let such blather exit their minds.
I’m always pleased, by the way, when I hear someone like bemused mention the surplus that Clinton left behind. The ONLY PRESIDENT TO LEAVE A SURPLUS SINCE 1970.
And here it is:
I think itâs safe to saying that our deficits increased dramatically under Bush compared to Clintonâs term. Of course whenever this increase was brought to the attention of the right, their responds was always, Bush is keeping us safe. It was important to say that with a great deal of emotion in your voice, as if how dare you bring it up, and why do you hate America?
We havenât had a real balanced budget since March 1957, and that was soon wiped out by the recession of 1958, that cost the Râs control of the House until 1995. Our top tax rate back in the Eisenhower days was 91%. I donât think the right wants to remind anyone of that fact.
It’s been amazing to me (and many of those I discuss politics with) the absolute whining and bitching that FOX “news” and other conservative pundits are doing over the fact that many Democrats have said that Romney lied in the debate. Not only are they deliberately overlooking the vast majority of the spin/lies/shifting of positions that Romney spewed during the debate but they are being total hypocrites on the subject with regards to who is calling who a liar.
Did the talking heads at FOX “news” and elsewhere totally missed the part of the debate where a condescending Romney basically compared Obama to his 5 boys who, apparently, are big, fat liars? When Obama pointed out the math problems with Romney’s tax plan, Romney denied it and said, âLook, Iâve got five boys.* Iâm used to people saying something thatâs not always true but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping I’ll believe it but that is not the case."
Hmm, “keep repeating it” with the hopes that it will be believed? Sounds like Romney is definitely referring to Goebbels’ “big lie” and using it to go after Obama for challenging Romney on his tax plan. When Romney brought up his lying boys in the context of what Obama had just said, he was accusing Obama of being a liar – yet somehow FOX “news” managed to miss Romney’s insinuation?!?! He also said that Obama isn’t entitled to his own facts which is a more polite way to accuse someone of lying but FOX “news” is overlooking that too? Seriously?!
The few Dems/libs I’ve seen on FOX “news” since the debate have gone to bat on the Dems’ position that Romney told some lies during the debate but it completely pisses me off that none of them are challenging the FOX “news” talking heads on the point that Romney called Obama a liar DURING the freakin’ debate!
Btw, where was all the FOX “news” concern over someone being called a liar when a few weeks ago Romney said this to Stephanopoulos: “But I think the challenge that Iâll have in the debate is that the President tends to, how shall I say it, to say things that arenât true.” Projection much, Mr. Etch-a-Sketch? Where was the FOX “news” outrage over Romney calling the President a liar, hmm?
*Also, with his “boys” retort, Romney got to paint himself as the wise father figure while he slyly implied that Obama is like a boy who fibs and/or is too immature to face facts. Not to mention that using the word “boy” (even if done in an implied manner and/or to make a separate point) to an African-American man wasn’t exactly an appropriate way for Romney to have framed his jab at Obama. If you think that some of the more racist right-wingers aren’t happily chuckling about the way Romney called Obama a “boy”, then you’d be mistaken because I heard some of it with my own ears last week when I overheard a discussion about the debate.
The foxies like to compare deficit spending between Bush and Obama but I’ve never seen any mention of how much he (Bush) had in the kitty before he started borrowing. If Clinton had not left that little heritage, Bush’s spending would have been higher. Or not?
In 2008 we lost 2.6 million jobs. Today we are gaining approximately 100k a month and have so for several months in a row and not losing over a half a million as we experienced in 08. More is needed of course, but can you name just one jobs bill the Republican Congress has agreed to? The word compromise does not exist with todayâs GOP.
As far as our National Debt is concerned, these deficits only matter to the party of power. Is that fair and balanced to say? I donât recall any outrage from the right when Bush and especially Reagan added on. Not a peep.
FWIW: we never expected Obama to have a magic wan nor did you, but you write as though you do. That’s plumb dishonest of you (methinks).
As for your right-wing bullet points, those have all been debunked. Better luck next time.
-Under Obama, the number of unemployed has
gone from 11.6 to 14.5 million.
-Under Obama, the cost at the pump has
gone from $1.83 to $3.84.
-Under Obama, the number of people on food
stamps has gone from 32 million to 43.2 million.
-Under Obama, the number of long-term
unemployed has gone from 2.6 million to 6.4 million.
-Under Obama, our national debt has gone
from $10.6 trillion to $16 trillion.
-Under Obama, black unemployment has
increased from 12.6% to 15.8%.
-Under Obama, individual poverty has
increased from 13.2% to 14.3%.
-Under Obama, the US ranking in economic freedom
world rankings dropped from 5th to 9th.
-Under Obama, our foreign policies have led
Four More Years? Are you Kidding?
I work with some pretty smart people who, unfortunately, believe the crap that is said on FoxGOPTV. They’re in awe of Etch-a-Sketch Rmoney because he “kicked Obama’s ass”. They’re not willing to listen when I tell them that in the “Lie as Much as You Can in 45 Minutes” category, yes, Rmoney did “kick Obama’s ass”.
Romney won the debate by lying? True.
Romney does better when he is not factual- when he lies? True.
The facts don’t matter, winning the election matters? Romney can win with lies? True.
The facts don’t matter to the American people?
Their statement, then, must be rated as true. The facts don’t matter.
If Fox News was wrong on this that lying sonofab*** would be at 10% in the polls.
So how about that: Fox News finally right about something.
At this point, unless Obama completely fumbles the next two debates and the economy collapses within the next 20 days, they are still behind in enough places that their chances of winning are still below 30 percent. Assuming Obama does well in the next debate, which I believe is quite possible and likely, you’ll see the polls swing back in the other direction, at which point Fox News will go back to the idea that the polls are not to be believed.
The right wing confidently declared that Obama had no chance to be elected in 2008 for a whole pile of reasons. When all else failed, they turned to the “Tom Bradley Effect” card – painting the whole country as racist as the people to whom they were pandering. When they lost that election, they were completely shocked. Shock turned to rage and we’ve seen the results over the past 3 years and 9 months. Now they’ve spent the past two months throwing any attack they could at President Obama only to see his lead build. With a single debate where their opponent wasn’t challenged on the falsehoods he was saying, they somehow want us to think this election has been decided. As in 2008, I strongly doubt the American public agrees with them on this.
Whenever a poll shows President Obama ahead, the response is, “polls don’t matter; the only poll that counts is on Election Day.”
When a poll shows Mittens ahead — even if it was one taken the day after the debate, skewed heavily in favor of Republicans, and only released yesterday — it is not only to be believed, but repeated and loudly celebrated.
Hope that helps.
Of course, this is from the side that also thinks Representative Joseph “You Lie” Wilson was so brave.
So now the FoxGOPTV pukes are upset because only a few stupid people are falling to their knees and heaping slobbering praise on Etch-a-Sketch Rmoney’s performance of lies. Sorry pukes. Not everyone is as stupid as you and your sheep.