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Huckabee: I Didn’t Mean Prayer In School Would Have Stopped Newtown School Shooting; I Meant More Christianity

Posted by Ellen -394.20pc on December 16, 2012 · Flag

Mike Huckabee is not happy about the “vile and vicious reaction” to his comments about Godlessness in schools in the wake of the awful shootings in Newtown, Connecticut. Huckabee said he was wrongly interpreted to mean that prayer in school would have prevented the shooting. So to correct the record, Huckabee argued that more Christianity for everybody is really the answer.

As Priscilla previously posted, Huckabee discussed the tragedy with Neil Cavuto on Friday (12/14/12). Huckabee spoke out against gun control by saying, “This is a heart issue… Laws don’t change this kind of thing.” Then he made it clear that God is the answer:

We ask why there is violence in our schools but we have systematically removed God from our schools. Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage? Because we’ve made it a place where we don’t want to talk about eternity, life, what responsibility means, accountability - that we’re not just going to have be accountable to the police if they catch us, but one day we stand before, you know, a holy God in judgment. If we don’t believe that, then we don’t fear that. And so I sometimes, when people say, why did God let it happen. You know, God wasn’t armed. He didn’t go to the school. But God will be there in the form of a lot people with hugs and with therapy and awhole lot of ways in which he will be involved in the aftermath. Maybe we ought to let him in on the front end and we wouldn’t have to call him to show up it’s all said and done at the back end.

Last night, on his own show, Huckabee explained further:

On Friday, Neil Cavuto asked me, “Where was God?” And I said that for 50 years, we’ve systematically attempted to have God removed from our schools, our public activities. But then at the moment we have a calamity, we wonder where He was.

Well, the predictable left lit up the airwaves and blogosphere with a vile and vicious reaction and jumped to the conclusion that I said that if we had prayer in school, the shooting wouldn’t have happened. Well, I said nothing of the sort.

It’s far more than just taking prayer or Bible reading out of the schools. It’s the fact that people sue a city so we aren’t confronted with a manger scene or a Christmas carol. That lawsuits are filed to remove a cross that’s a memorial to fallen soldiers. Churches and Christian-owned businesses are told to surrender their values under the edict of government orders to provide tax-funded abortions pills. We carefully and intentionally stop saying things are sinful. We call them ‘disorders.’ Sometimes, we even say they’re normal. And to get to where that we have to abandon bedrock moral truths, then we’ll ask well, where was God.

And I respond that, as I see it, we’ve escorted him right out of our culture and we’ve marched him off the public square and then we express our surprise that a culture without him actually reflects what it’s become. As soon as the tragedy unfolded, I think God did show up. He showed up in the lives of teachers who put their lives between a gunman and their students. He showed up in policemen who rushed into the school not knowing if they would be met with a barrage of bullets. He showed up in the form of hugs and tears for children, parents and teachers who would live through the slaughter. He showed up at the overflowed church services where people lit candles and prayed. And he showed up at the White House where the president invoked His name and quoted from His book. And in a few days or weeks, we’ll probably ask God to excuse himself from view and we will announce, in our arrogant pride, that we’re now enlightened and educated and we’ve evolved beyond needing him. And somebody’s going to suggest that we pass a law to stop all this kind of thing.

I might want to point out that we don’t have to pass a new law. There’s one that’s been around a while that works if we teach it and observe it: Thou shalt not kill. Oh, there are about nine others. But to tell you about ‘em would require bringing God back and we know how unacceptable that might be.

I don’t know… It seems to me that at a time like this, an ordained Baptist minister like Huckabee might be thinking more about reaching out and doing his best to comfort the afflicted. After all, some of those directly affected by this massacre might well be the kinds of people who don’t believe in having religion or religious symbols in a public square and support President Obama’s mandate that contraception be covered by health insurance. Instead, Huckabee is doubling down on his evangelizing – and sounding downright resentful while he's at it. 


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Kirsten Tucker commented 2012-12-20 10:44:30 -0500 · Flag
@bemused Why must I be paid to express an opinion that differs from yours and is oh by the way…way too much like common sense of a highly educated woman? Okay, you can’t handle the religious stuff, alright then but the gun stuff is of vital importance to our nation and each citizens rights whether or not you agree with it. If you don’t, then don’t have a gun! Perfectly up to you to be armed or not, to be capable of defending yourself or not. Cause it doesn’t matter if you have all the money in the world…it takes precious time for the police to respond to a call.

I have studied history, ancient and biblical predominantly, but early American History up through the American Civil War has been a recent passion of exploration. It makes no sense to remove guns from everyone if the police and government have them. Checks and balances…2nd Amendment and Bill of RIghts.

Disarming citizens is the step towards subjugation by Tyranny which has been the case in a majority of instances in history. Then there is the other side of that coin…where the people will hurt each other without guns. There were no guns in Rwanda when the fighting between the Hutus and Tootsies massacred, to the tune of 1.2+ million people with machete’s alone! Violence happens, anywhere and everywhere irrespective of the standard of living of the country. There is no country that has totally removed guns from its populace that still doesn’t experience gun or weapon violence. In Great Britain, for a time, gun violence dropped…until the bad guys got the black market for them up and running. Used to be the Bobbies weren’t armed…now they are! Because…dun dun dun…the bad guys had them…and they didn’t and when ya bring a baton to a gun fight…ya die! It doesn’t work. Switzerland, the notoriously famous Army and in the last century and a half, for being neutral in world affairs…EVERYONE is armed…and no, despite recent reports to the contrary, they are not looking to do away with it. They have one of the lowest gun violence records of any western nation. Same thing in Israel! They are armed as members of the military…and when they go anywhere in large groups, inclusive of when children go on field trips, the teachers are armed and there is security. Because bad guys enjoy taking life. It is not wrong or sinful to defend yourself. And the Jewish people are fantastic at being successful…and peaceful….and not being run over.

Typically those who wish to control, to force, to be in power have the very weapons they don’t want others to have…this includes not only weapons but education and knowledge. Hence your inability and unwillingness to have an actual discourse but instead to lash out in a disrespectful, discourteous, and ill-mannered way.

There are no sin’s of omission being committed, unless perhaps you have evidence to the contrary….No…well then. I will not be left defenseless with a Government and President who are increasingly working against the oath they took to defend the Constitution. I took that same oath and continue to hold to it. I will not have my rights infringed upon for the power play of my Nation. It is MINE…and since I volunteered to defend it before, I have no qualms about volunteering to defend it here on home soil, against enemies foreign and domestic. It is inclusive of preventing people from preventing me from defending myself. I will fight and resist all attempts to remove or infringe upon my ability to own and carry a firearm. Be it from our weak and ineffectual Congress, the President abusing illegally the Presidential Order and especially from the UN. No international entity has a right to dictate how we American’s run our Nation.
bemused commented 2012-12-20 03:24:52 -0500 · Flag
@kirsten:

Straight out of Huckabee’s hand-pencilled notes in his copy ofthe NRA handbook.

If this isn’t Doug Rowan, it’s his female alter ego and my suspicion is that these people are paid by the same outfits that are shivering in the corners and thinking ""Ah’m so skeered they’ll take away m’toys away" ARRRRRRRHHHHHHH! (the image is one of a lil white bunny rabbit who’s been cornered, not a big grey grizzley.

All that personal responsibility stuff is valid (with spades) in my own personal religion but I don’t use it to justify the sort of “sins of omission” that have been, are being and will be committed at the behest of the NRA and its offshoots. I trust the pay’s good.
Kirsten Tucker commented 2012-12-19 22:42:13 -0500 · Flag
Such interesting misconceptions and ignorance running rampant among the commentators. 1st The commandments are laws of self governance…you know that little thing called personal accountability. It kinda makes things better if all were to follow just those 10. 2nd A major lesson of the New Testament was the fact that God has no presence or absence (since He is essentially around all the time, everywhere) in illness, evil works of people, natural disasters, or accidents. We are with free will, therefore it isn’t His fault or a gun’s fault, (or any inanimate object’s) fault for what man/woman does with it or to others. We each are responsible for our own souls. We each are responsible for our actions and reactions. How we handle situations is what matters. No one could have stopped this man (cause at 20 he was a man) from his intent, probably. He used two hand guns, not the rifle he had in the car. He was essentially throwing a tantrum, which leads to why his mother was going to seek a greater level of help for him. It is a tragedy. which brings me to number 3. If someone who was armed or one of the teachers who died was licensed for a concealed weapon (and the proper training that always goes with it) and was allowed to have it on them…OR had martial arts training and sufficient skill/gumption to use it in this case, there would probably have been less loss of life. The biggest problem in this situation isn’t a lack of God…(though the consequences are evident for that argument as well) it is that there had been a huge retreat on people being able to protect themselves. That is a responsibility for each individual to be able to protect themselves both armed and unarmed. The founders anticipated the disarmament of the populace, which had happened several times in history to the detriment of the people. They ensured that it was in our Constitution so that we could not only have home defense (every home had a rifle or more and plenty of ammo and powder and knowledge and ability to make more as well as how to handle said rifle (or pistol)) but that each village, town and state could organize a civilian militia (NOT the National Guard that is a different entity) but a civilian defense force which meant it was every head of household’s responsibility to ensure that he and all of his capable sons were armed and trained in arms and that the women folk knew how to use them too. So that should tyranny take hold, or the yahoo’s from the next country over decided to make a ruckus the militia could come together to defend the village/town as a whole. 4th You do not handle a situation of violence…which is as uncontrollable as much as it is unpredictable, by further making defenseless, the defenseless. You handle it by making everyone capable of self defense so that the bad guy(s) will think really hard and long about what they are about to do. This isn’t a question of a person’s mental stability, it is one of defense. The mother was the first victim and could have been the only one or one of two (counting her son) if someone had been capable of stopping him before he stepped into a classroom and started shooting children. The only acceptable response to the reality that crap things, evil things, bad people do bad is to be prepared for it should it occur and to handle any situation quickly and decisively. Taking that ability away from all citizens is begging and inviting more ill.
Omar Latiri commented 2012-12-19 15:30:20 -0500 · Flag
I guess there wasn’t enough Christianity in Alabama on September 15th, 1963.
Allen Sanders commented 2012-12-17 23:16:32 -0500 · Flag
there’s plenty of Christianity in the Catholic church and that didn’t protect all of those innocent children from being molested. Why do people try to make these stupid arguments?
Sandman2 commented 2012-12-17 10:57:38 -0500 · Flag
Thou shalt not kill=Epic Policy Fail
Ellen commented 2012-12-17 00:26:32 -0500 · Flag
Chance Saver wrote:

Wow. Looking down this site, it looks like Fox News’ solution is more guns and God. Maybe they should change their slogan from “Fair and Balanced” to “Praise the Lord and pass the ammo”.

Love it!
CoreyandBessie Manning commented 2012-12-16 22:39:46 -0500 · Flag
Well now that is a WONDERFUL idea! Thanks for that.


Chance Saver commented on Huckabee: I Didn’t Mean Prayer In School Would Have Stopped Newtown School Shooting; I Meant More Christianity 13hours ago ·

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Wow. Looking down this site, it looks like Fox News’ solution is more guns and God.
Maybe they should change their slogan from “Fair and Balanced” to “Praise the Lord and pass the ammo”.
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You know it was good enough for our founders. And I’ve never heard anyone complain who saved by it.
Oh well. “Father forgive them for they know for what they say.”
Visitor 55 commented 2012-12-16 13:50:38 -0500 · Flag
Oh, and pHuckleberry, you better oink at your fellow FoxGOPTV puke, POS borally who says you’re stupid if you believe Christianity is a religion.
Visitor 55 commented 2012-12-16 13:48:52 -0500 · Flag
pHuckleberry grunts “there’s a law that’s been around a while that works…thou shall not kill”

Stupid pHuckleberry. Right. Because that particular “law” has only been around for about 4,000+ years and killing has only started happening in the past 50 years. There was no killing prior to 1962, right? Nope. Never heard of any killings until the e-vile libruls sued the government to have prayer and mangers removed from the public square.

Edited by moderator (Hey V 55, we love ya but could do with a bit less of the name calling E.)
Anne-claire Souza commented 2012-12-16 11:14:16 -0500 · Flag
Amazing they say the most vile things then within hours walk them back.But in the mean time they have been said and a lot of people take them to heart.Gomer and the rest of his kind never take responsibility for what they say and play the persecuted.These people are without doubt the most vile people on the planet.And if there is such a thing will burn in hell for the hypocrisy and evil they have spread.
GasGuzzler12 commented 2012-12-16 10:50:52 -0500 · Flag
Hard to believe this clown was once a key figure in the GOP. Oh, wait.
R L commented 2012-12-16 10:45:06 -0500 · Flag
more Christianity eh?
Tell that to the relatives of Jonestown.
truman commented 2012-12-16 10:22:09 -0500 · Flag
Gomer the Huckster is a overly pious sack of shit.
bemused commented 2012-12-16 10:11:40 -0500 · Flag
@chance Saver: We used to say that about the tent revival meetings during the Sixties! That’s when people spoke in tongues, fell into trances, and talked a lot about avoiding a thingee called “the domino effect” internationally.
Chance Saver commented 2012-12-16 09:16:50 -0500 · Flag
Wow. Looking down this site, it looks like Fox News’ solution is more guns and God. Maybe they should change their slogan from “Fair and Balanced” to “Praise the Lord and pass the ammo”.
Brian Toth commented 2012-12-16 08:32:29 -0500 · Flag
Was god in the churches during all of the abuse of children? Or was he on holiday?
mlp ! commented 2012-12-16 08:29:37 -0500 · Flag
Ahhhh, life is so simple (and obviously gratifying!) when you have Jay-sus in your arsenal. All the mysteries and troubles of the world can be rationalized as the fault of either too little Jay-sus, or too much ‘gay’.
These people disgust me.
Rob Willhelm commented 2012-12-16 05:50:04 -0500 · Flag
If Huckabee knew anything about “Christianity” he wouldn’t be employed by Fox News.
bemused commented 2012-12-16 05:13:16 -0500 · Flag
Hi Domenica. Luv ya!

I agree with everybody (barring any troll who may post after AAP … PFS: hahahahahahah). The blatant hypocrisy of so-called christians is guaranteed to make my blood boil.
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