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Trump Impeachment Trial, Day One: Rules Debate – Open Thread

Posted by Ellen -7859.80pc on January 21, 2020 · Flag

Today, Donald Trump’s impeachment trial begins in the Senate with what is sure to be a heated debate over the rules. We will post open threads every day there are proceedings for readers to share their thoughts and observations.

CNN has a good primer on the third impeachment trial in U.S. history. It will begin Tuesday, January 21, at 1 PM and continue for six days a week at that time until concluded.

However, that article was published earlier yesterday. The New York Times has an update, after Sen. Mitch McConnell issued his Pravda-like rules. They don’t call him #MoscowMitch for nothing!

Mr. McConnell’s trial rules, which limited each side’s arguments to 24 hours over two days, gave the White House a helping hand at the outset and drew swift anger from Democrats. The rules left open the possibility that the Senate could not only decline to hear new evidence not uncovered in the House impeachment inquiry, but could also sidestep considering the House case against Mr. Trump altogether — although such a vote is considered unlikely.

“Under this resolution, Senator McConnell is saying he doesn’t want to hear any of the existing evidence, and he doesn’t want to hear any new evidence,” said Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader. “It’s a cover-up, and the American people will see it for exactly what it is.”

He said he would propose changes during what promises to be a rancorous debate over the rules on Tuesday in the Senate.

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Mr. McConnell had said repeatedly that he was modeling his rules on the procedures for Mr. Clinton’s 1999 impeachment trial, but he made changes that could tilt the playing field in Mr. Trump’s favor. While the Clinton-era rules imposed no limits on the 24 hours of oral arguments allowed on both sides, Mr. McConnell condensed them into two marathon-session days, which would allow the Senate to blaze through them by Saturday.

Senators could then pose questions to the two sides next week before debating whether to allow the prosecution and defense to try to call witnesses or seek documents. A senior Republican leadership aide conceded on Monday that Mr. McConnell had deviated from the 1999 rules, which admitted the House impeachment record into evidence at the start of the trial, in requiring a separate Senate vote to do so this time around. The change was necessary, argued the aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to detail internal strategy, because the House had denied the president proper due process rights.

Bloomberg, which has a comprehensive viewers guide, notes that CNN, MSNBC and Fox News “are likely to show significant portions of the trial.” But C-SPAN 2, which covers Senate floor proceedings, is probably the only network that will cover the public proceedings in full.

I’ll be switching back and forth between cable news channels for coverage. I look forward to your comments.

(McConnell image by DonkeyHotey via Creative Commons license)

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Bemused commented 2020-01-23 05:33:59 -0500 · Flag
Thanks for the heads up, John McKee. I don’t as yet have a Netflix account but am seriously thinking of getting one.
truman commented 2020-01-22 10:36:42 -0500 · Flag
Mango Mussolini has directed Turtleman Mitch to bring back an acquittal and do so before the State of the Union address.
The case will come down to whether at least 4 GOPiggy Senators have the courage to defy Mango and Mitch by demanding witnesses testify. Talking Toilet Brush Bolton being key. Right now, only Lamar Alexander (who is retiring and gives a hoot what Mango wants) and Mitt Romney (who personally despises Mango) are the only defectors. The rest…..including Murkowski, Collins, Gardner, McSally…..will probably cave in to Mango and Mitch.
After the Senate finishes its cover-up,
the House will immediately re-commence impeachment proceedings, adding a charge of obstructing the Mueller investigation to the other two.
John McKee commented 2020-01-22 06:53:45 -0500 · Flag
Hey Bemused (and other friends). For the last few days I have been unwinding between bouts of Trumpian horror with a brilliant Russian TV series on Netflix.

As a lady in Europe, you are no doubt fine with subtitles, and in any case they are the easiest I’ve come across – short lines of dialogue that only take a nanosecond to absorb.

‘Silver Spoon’ revolves around a 30-ish party boy (horrible but handsome) who happens to be the son of a fabulously rich business man in Moscow. One night he gets into a pickle with a couple of cops and his father ‘fixes’ the problem, but only under the condition that his son joins the police, in the unit where the two cops he had trouble with work.

Great cast, gripping storyline, endemic corruption, evil oligarchs, gorgeous women, beautiful Russian scenery and very complicated romantic entanglements. Recommended for all.

Пять российских звезд!
John McKee commented 2020-01-22 03:50:32 -0500 · Flag
You mean the Pence impeachment, Bemused? Yes, if that happens this year, you can be sure the Republicans will be more than keen to keep their embarrassment to a minimum on that one.

Adam and Friends were indeed as clever as anyone could be under the circumstances – they ran absolute rings around Trump’s merry men. One can only imagine the carnage when the Keystone Kops brigade from the GOP House cast are let loose during the defence’s 24 hours.
Bemused commented 2020-01-22 02:28:36 -0500 · Flag
Was unable to follow the whole session due to time lag.

Am I wrong in thinking (hoping?) that the House Managers actually got all their arguments on record by raising these specific amendment proposals? Damned smart move that was. The proceedings will allow seriously interested viewers to fill in the inevitable gaps

However, wannabet the next impeachment trial (of anybody) won’t allow more than 5 minutes to debate such amendments?
John McKee commented 2020-01-22 01:39:12 -0500 · Flag
Oh, you clever devil, Adam. Masterstroke. He has just proposed an amendment that would give Justice Roberts the first call on whether any witness is relevant. Of course, the Repubs can still overrule any decision, but hey, declaring that the Chief Justice is wrong is never a good look.
John McKee commented 2020-01-22 00:25:54 -0500 · Flag
Nice work, Mister Nadler. You are really killing it on the Bolton question.
John McKee commented 2020-01-21 19:10:33 -0500 · Flag
I like this Jason Crow character – good choice, Nancy. His little anecdote about scavenging for metal in Baghdad to improvise armour for vehicles at risk from roadside bombs hit exactly the right note.
Jan Hall commented 2020-01-21 17:08:46 -0500 · Flag
It looks like Repugnantcans have solved the problem of our backed up, clogged court system. No more documents! No more witnesses! The courts will be caught up in no time.
Ellen commented 2020-01-21 16:57:12 -0500 · Flag
Fox is “wondering” how long Mitch McConnell will let the Democrats go on with their proposed amendments. Dana Perino commented on Schumer’s “interesting” decision to keep going and risk losing viewer interest, which she predicted is a certainty.
Ellen commented 2020-01-21 15:24:59 -0500 · Flag
Call your senators! I just called both of mine. Here’s what Indivisible recommends saying if you have a Republican senator, though not sure if it’s in the process of being updated, as the organization’s tweets suggest:

For Republican senators, remind them of the oath that they took to support and defend the Constitution and demand they support a fair and open trial in the Senate to fully hear the evidence and hold Trump accountable for his actions. If they don’t, they’ll become accomplices in Donald Trump’s coverup.
https://indivisible.org/demand-your-senators-support-fair-and-open-impeachment-trial
Ellen commented 2020-01-21 15:21:24 -0500 · Flag
This is a great time to call your senators. I just called both of mine. If you have a Democratic senator, here’s what Indivisible recommends:

Indivisible Guide
@IndivisibleTeam
If you have a Dem Senator — call them and demand that they speak out loudly and firmly against the Senate rules resolution. Also, chances are they’ve been good on impeachment, so don’t forget to give them some positive feedback!

https://twitter.com/IndivisibleTeam/status/1219701290227376129
John McKee commented 2020-01-21 14:53:31 -0500 · Flag
Hope the car problem is easily fixed, E.

I’m surprised that Adam let his remaining time ride on that first matter. Cipolione and Sekulow had clearly run out of nonsense to spout, and it would have been a great opportunity to stick the boot in with a contribution from Val Demings or Hakeem Jeffries.
John McKee commented 2020-01-21 14:39:39 -0500 · Flag
So far? Cipolione+Sekulow 0 – Adam Schiff 4,124.
Ellen commented 2020-01-21 14:21:27 -0500 · Flag
Sekulow is not defending Trump’s behavior, just attacking Democrats. So typical and depressing.
Ellen commented 2020-01-21 14:11:59 -0500 · Flag
I’ve been dealing with unexpected car issues today (I got my car stuck on a rock which was covered in snow) so am a bit behind. But it looks like #MoscowMitch has yielded a bit.

I am skeptical, however, that the Republicans will do the right thing about anything.

If you live in a red state, please call your senators and demand they vote for witnesses and documents.
John McKee commented 2020-01-21 14:03:58 -0500 · Flag
Very excited to see that Adam and co can use audio-visual materials. It is lovely to see video of Trump saying how much he’d love to see Pompeio, Mulvaney, Bolton and others called as witnesses. Looking forward to seeing MacConnell and Auntie Lindsey’s declarations that they don’t intend to be impartial jurors up there on the big screen.
John McKee commented 2020-01-21 13:53:40 -0500 · Flag
Hard to believe that the first trial Justice Roberts EVER hears is the impeachment of a president. He must have skipped a grade and gone directly into the appeal court circuit.

I noted in the reading of the rules that the 24 hours allowed to each side has now been extended to three days rather than two. Looks like MacConnell is not quite as confident as he pretends.








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