If we thought the last debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump was a nail-biter, this one promises to be more so. Let's share our thoughts and observations. In just a minute, I'll embed video after the jump so you can watch it here, online, if you so wish.
Here we go!
Live stream video via NBC News.
My point was Trump is still stuck with his base so I couldn’t see him dropping. Depending on the post debate pundit spin, Hillary could have lost some soft support because her numbers are through the roof. Daily Kos had her chance to win at 90% prior to the debate.
That said, my post debate gist is Trump is getting a lot of heat. But I’ve spent my entire day on the road limiting the news I’ve followed so I’ll see how that holds. If it holds, Hillary’s bounce may extend as the few undecideds left toss in the towel on The Donald.
Donald Trump was mostly incoherent, bullish, disruptive and mostly disrespectful.
The reason this debate is a draw is because their appeals to voters remain the same. Hillary has concrete policies, is generally optimistic, and is into coalition building. Trump is raw, unscripted emotion for the angry voters who want to stick it to DC first and worry about the consequences later.
Neither expanded their bases by much because they’re spending too much time relitigating the same mud slinging I imagine most undecideds have factored in and which turned them off all this time.
Trump may gain a point or two in the polls only because he’s dropped to ridiculous levels so Hillary has some weak support to give back. But a lot depends on the upcoming week of media spin. If they keep hounding Trump on his ‘locker room talk’ – since he didn’t really handle it well – he’s just about toast.
Trump, for his part, took every cheap shot he could at both Clinton and the moderators. When he wasn’t doing that, he was frankly incoherent on policy. He clearly followed the Hannity playbook of ignoring the questions he was asked and trying to pivot to personal attacks on Clinton followed by pithy statements about he was going to run a presidency that was going to be “so much better.”
People who are already in his corner, or who simply hate the Clintons, will love his performance tonight. I fully expect Limbaugh and the other hatemongers on AM radio to gleefully replay every last insult from Trump throughout the next two weeks as red meat for their listeners. But the polling is already coming in on the debate. CNN had it almost as high of a win for Clinton as the first one. YouGov had a tighter win for her.
And we should remember that going into this debate, Trump was already down to 22.4% at 538 on their most cautious outlook. He needed a massive win to be able to turn that around. Not just the attempted catchphrase of Tucker Carlson of being “an escape artist”. He needed a, forgive the expression, Huge win. He didn’t get one, and to my mind, he simply reconfirmed why he is temperamentally unsuited to this office.
Let’s see what happens with the polling over the next week and a half before the final debate. I fully expect Trump to come out completely unhinged in the final one. And let’s not forget that he thinks he has a sympathetic moderator in Chris Wallace…
Importantly, did Trump step on Pences toes? Pence may be looking to bail.
Good point, LOL.
TRUMP II: “She doesn’t quit. She never gives up."
Trump very negative and umprofessional.