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Impeachment Hearing, Day Five - Fiona Hill and David Holmes Testify - Live Streaming

Posted by Ellen -7859.80pc on November 21, 2019 · Flag

Today's testimony from Fiona Hill and David Holmes may be the most damning to Trump yet. We've got it live streaming after the jump, via The Washington Post. Share your thoughts and observations on the proceedings in our open thread.

The Washington Post has this explainer:

President Trump lashed out at Democrats, calling them “human scum,” as two more key witnesses testified before the House Intelligence Committee on Thursday as part of an escalating impeachment inquiry.

Fiona Hill, a Russia expert and former White House adviser who reported directly to John Bolton when he was national security adviser, and David Holmes, a top staffer at the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine who overheard a phone call in which Trump asked about “investigations,” are appearing in an open session.

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Bemused commented 2019-11-22 12:03:05 -0500 · Flag
Seems that Ms. Hill is receiving hate mail querying her patriotism, from nativists who claim that only people born in the country can be patriots. With notable exceptions like that judge born in Indiana, of parents who migrated from Mexico. Such ignorance is unworthy of a country that was built by people born elsewhere.

Like everybody who is “American by choice” (and many people throughout the world), Ms. Hill has actually read the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Most nativists wouldn’t be able to pass the history-cum-civics test that migrants have to pass.
Ellen commented 2019-11-22 00:36:49 -0500 · Flag
Agree 100%. Baier gets way too much credit for being “serious, unbiased journalist.”
Eyes On Fox commented 2019-11-21 19:17:01 -0500 · Flag
I briefly turned to Bret Baier’s Special Report. His coverage was selective, especially his very limited, carefully picked hearing clips.

Not surprisingly his guest was firebrand Gym Jordan. Not surprisingly he let Gym rant his usual bulls—t that it’s they’re the most unfair hearings in history without any pushback by bobblehead Bret. Meanwhile no Shiff to counter but Bret interviewed Klobuchar for him to pimp the Fox News talking on why not drop the whole thing because Republicans are spineless.. errr… united.
Kevin Koster commented 2019-11-21 17:00:30 -0500 · Flag
They’re doing that so they can have nice clips on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh’s radio show. They never had any intention of listening to these witnesses. Look what happened with David Holmes when was pointing the facts out to Jim Jordan today. Jordan just smirked and talked over him, even after being repeatedly chastised by Schiff. Because he didn’t care what Holmes had to say. Jordan’s purpose had already been served.

What we’ll see over the next couple of weeks will be a round robin of Right Wing bloviating about how the Dems didn’t prove anything and about how this really should be about the Bidens, Burisma and all the nonsense they can spew about Ukraine in 2016. Which will allow the Right Wing to keep its counter narrative alive up into the election campaign, to hopefully depress turnout in the swing states as voters shrug their shoulders and assume, once again, that everybody is corrupt.

It is my fervent hope that enough swing state Dems have had enough of this viciousness for us to be able to see a positive change next year. We are all depending on it. If those voters stay home again and allow Mike Pence to wreak four more years of havok, I honestly don’t believe we’d recognize the country afterward.
Ellen commented 2019-11-21 15:24:15 -0500 · Flag
I find it interesting that so many Republicans are making speeches instead of asking questions.
Ellen commented 2019-11-21 15:23:40 -0500 · Flag
Eyes on Fox, agree. I’d also like to hear more about the corruption of Trump using taxpayer money for his personal gain.
Eyes On Fox commented 2019-11-21 14:23:33 -0500 · Flag
I watched some of Fox News’ coverage at the break. Specifically Starr’s Trump apple polishing ‘analysis’. (Coincidentally I just got a Fox notification on my phone boasting of it). Hemmer and his blonde companion (forget her name) gave Starr supportive lip service but their dour expressions belied their skepticism. Wallace talked out of school again.

The Democrats need a simplified narrative to clearly relay the fact Trump deliberately used his private attorney to work out of official diplomatic ‘deep state’ channels to hide his corrupt purpose of soliciting Ukraine’s aid in election interference. Quid pro quo or extortion or bribery or pick your term is just icing on the criminal cake. All exonerating evidence like Trump saying the scripted ‘no quid pro quo’ or delivering aid came amazingly on the heels of the whistleblower complaint. And never forget Trump’s in the know inner circle who would testify to exonerate Dear Leader refuse.
Ellen commented 2019-11-21 13:46:27 -0500 · Flag
I didn’t hear Melber’s comments but I’ve had a resentment against him ever since he declared that the Mueller report had proved there was no collusion based on Barr’s obviously (to me, anyway) untrustworthy prequel.
John McKee commented 2019-11-21 12:04:20 -0500 · Flag
I hope the un-brainwashed millions who were so badly hoodwinked in 2016 are paying attention. The ‘deep state’ seems to be overflowing with intelligent, ethical professionals who do their jobs honestly and with great care for their responsibilities to the US people.








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