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Fox’s Desperate Romney Debate Rehab: The Marines Still Use Bayonets!

Posted by Ellen -393.20pc on October 22, 2012 · Flag

One of the zingers of tonight’s debate was President Obama’s comeback at Mitt Romney’s complaint that our Navy is smaller "than any time since 1917.” Obama first replied, “I think Governor Romney maybe hasn’t spent enough time looking at how our military works.” He followed that up with, “You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships that we had in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military has changed. We have these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them.” But never fear, Republicans, because Fox came quickly to Romney’s rescue with the ridiculous suggestion that President Obama was wrong.

Bur first, Brit Hume called Romney “smooth and fluid” and that he didn’t flub anything. President Obama, on the other hand had “a very intent look on his face. I wouldn’t describe it as a mean look. I would describe it as a man looking for opportunities to strike.” On the other hand, Romney had “this kind of benign default expression” with a “slight smile on his face but not a smug one.” That led Hume to “wonder” if  he had “the more attractive default expression.”

So you’ll notice that Hume never said Romney won.

Then came Chris Wallace for a fact check. But first, Wallace, too, slobbered over Romney – also without saying he won the debate. Wallace said that if he didn’t know better, he would have thought Mitt Romney was the president and that Obama was the “challenger trying somewhat desperately to catch up.”

The first fact check was over Iraq and Obama’s accusation that Romney wanted to leave 10,000 troops in Iraq. Somehow, Wallace changed that to a question over whether Obama wanted a status of forces agreement and pretended that Obama had denied trying to get one. In reality, Obama was suggesting Mitt Romney had argued the U.S. should have kept more troops than Obama wanted. Wallace was correct that President Obama tried and failed to negotiate a status of forces agreement but he wanted to leave 3,000-4,000 forces. So Wallace was calling Obama out for something he had never said and gave Romney a pass for what he did say.

But that paled in comparison to Wallace's ridiculous attempt to paint Obama as wrong on bayonets in the mlitary. With a malicious grin, Wallace said, “Well, as it turns out, in the middle of the debate, after he heard (Obama's statement), a Marine tweeted Fox News and said the Marines still use bayonets. So it may be not be clear (sic) who doesn’t understand what the military currently uses.”

Um, not even close. First of all, Obama never said the military doesn’t use bayonets at all. He said the military uses "fewer horses and bayonets.” The Washington Post wrote that the military “almost certainly” uses fewer bayonets than it did in 1916, noting, “U.S. Marines still train on bayonets in boot camp… but the Army discontinued bayonet training at its basic training facilities in 2010.”

Don’t tell me Wallace didn’t get the gist of what Obama meant. If Wallace had to grasp at these straws to prove Obama wrong, it indicates he had a very good night indeed. But it wasn't just I who thought so. Three polls found Obama won. And guess who else agrees? FoxNews.com readers. Here's a grab from their voting results as of a few minutes ago.

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Ellen commented 2012-10-25 01:09:32 -0400 · Flag
Visitor and AAP, when I looked at Timmeh’s sign up, it did not appear he’s a sock puppet. But who knows? Some of them were very cagey.
Visitor 55 commented 2012-10-24 09:00:21 -0400 · Flag
I want to thank you too, Ellen. And I agree with AAP. This troll is one of the old ones. Perhaps his horse milking business has been real slow lately.
Average American Patriot commented 2012-10-23 23:36:29 -0400 · Flag
Thanks, Ellen.

I guess Timmeh is one of “our old friends”
Ellen commented 2012-10-23 23:26:37 -0400 · Flag
FYI, Timm Tebow was banned and his hateful comments are being deleted. So if a reply to him doesn’t seem to make sense, that’s why.
Average American Patriot commented 2012-10-23 23:25:45 -0400 · Flag
Another fallacy from Timmeh and Mittens:

Why would you not want to put people to work building those ships? No go fix a pothole for $7.50 an hour.

Liberals just don’t get it.


It is a gNOpig mantra that “gubbimint don’t create no jabs”

And of course, infrastructure, doesn’t need maintenance or expansion.

Timmeh is happy to collect a gubimmint check harassing peasants in Iraq, but grabing a shovel and fixing a pothole in his home country… why! THAT IS BENEATH HIM!
mj - the same one commented 2012-10-23 22:00:39 -0400 · Flag
Instead of listening to the Backup Quarterback/Armchair Marine, let’s listen to someone who actually knows what the hell he’s talking about:

Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus said, “(t)he ships we have today are far more capable than any ships we’ve ever had, and comparing them to the old fleet in terms of numbers is sort of like comparing iPhones to the telegraph.”

http://www.politicususa.com/republicans-scramble-horses-bayonets-work.html

“Comparing iPhones to the telegraph” — LMAO. Mittens has already made one ad where he doubled down on the bayonets comment; I expect in his next ad he’ll tout the virtues of the telegraph for nationwide communication.

As for Tiny Timmy TeBlows, he should work on copyrighting more gestures of prayer . . .

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Visitor 55 commented 2012-10-23 17:46:41 -0400 · Flag
@teabow, no, you just don’t get it. You’re a brainwashed idiot. Not surprising since you swallow the right-wing bullshit then ask for more.
Aria Prescott commented 2012-10-23 14:52:58 -0400 · Flag
Timm proves the saying:

Marine= Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Expected

First off, don’t open an argument by calling a woman a C-Word. Second off, explain to me how “fewer” equates to “none.” When you see the officers at Obama’s events, they have OKC-3S bayonets on their rifles. But in combat?

They’re not nearly as common use anymore- the KA-BAR knife has largely replaced the function of a bayonet. It’s more versatile as a combat blade, and easier use as a utility blade. The M7 and the OKC both see far less practical use than they used to.

The same goes with horses- Obama said fewer, not none. Horses are being used in both Afghanistan and Iraq, for recon in regions they’re the best means of stealth conveyance for. Does that mean they’re still common outside of that? not really.

Funny how I know more about this than you do… especially since you claim to be on the line. I’ll just chalk it up to that you’re letting your bias blinded you, but don’t worry- When Romney loses, you’ll realize the error of your ways trying to ration out why. Or you’ll call Obama the N-Word under your breath, I don’t really care.
Lakeview Greg commented 2012-10-23 14:27:04 -0400 · Flag
I hear Mitt is starting up a new long-range weapon company…

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Trebuchet_at_Caerlaverock_Castle.jpeg
Visitor 55 commented 2012-10-23 14:16:42 -0400 · Flag
@timm teabow, the Marines are issued bayonets, but they never use them. They get in the way and they’re useless…unless they’re roasting marshmallows…which real Marines don’t have time to do. So, I suspect you’re not a Marine and you’re not serving in Iraq, nor have you ever. Also, a real Marine wouldn’t use the name of a “football player” who is a disgrace to the game.
Visitor 55 commented 2012-10-23 14:09:27 -0400 · Flag
@steve paniagua, yep. It is a typical neocon ploy. It’s exactly like when President Obama said that the United States and European countries had acted arrogantly and irresponsibly in the past, the dumbass neocons twist and turn that and convince themselves that he was on an “apology tour”. The GOPigs will always be stupid.
Lakeview Greg commented 2012-10-23 12:15:00 -0400 · Flag
Mitt will open those closed pike and shield factories and teach our ground troops the various turtle formations!
patrick tolle commented 2012-10-23 12:14:26 -0400 · Flag
The only sure bet I’d offer here is that neither Ricky/Tawdry or the supposed ex-jarhead who wants to be a second-rate footsball player will be back.
steve paniagua commented 2012-10-23 11:51:37 -0400 · Flag
Its funny how Tebow says that president Obama said fewer horses and bayonets….BUT HE ACTUALLY MEANT WE DO NOT USE THOSE ANYMORE.

This is a typical GOP ploy…Use exact words but then say he did not really mean that.

President Obama could say “Good Morning” in DC at 9:00 AM and the right would have a shit storm saying “Wait its not morning time in Europe”!!!!

The GOP has turned radical crazy!
mlp ! commented 2012-10-23 11:45:13 -0400 · Flag
The trolls have found the perfect defense for Mitt’s lies, hypocrisy and stupidity:
MORE lies, hypocrisy and stupidity.
Humor gold, I tells ya!
patrick tolle commented 2012-10-23 11:28:52 -0400 · Flag
@ Ricky/Tawdry- Would it be too much to hope for that your onanistic fantasy the Tundra Tart would undergo waterboarding at the same time Shun Sannity finally lives up to his pledge?I’d even watch Fux Noise in person to see that.The Klondike Kardashian knows even less about military affairs than clueless Rawmoney, and that’s hard to do.
doors17 commented 2012-10-23 11:27:44 -0400 · Flag
Ann Coulter calls the President a retard, and below we have the C word to descript our sweet little Ellen.

Translation: Obama won the debate, but on no terms will we ever admit to it. Never mind bayonets what tiny minded Timmy below needs is a pacifier.
patrick tolle commented 2012-10-23 11:18:18 -0400 · Flag
@Tebow- You’re apparently as big an @-hole as the real thing, the mediocre running back who plays bad QB.
Ex jarhead only proves you’ve probably got a IQ somewhere around amoeba level.
Seagoing bellhops it’s really tough to frighten unarmed civilians with edged weapons.When’s the last time you gyrenes went over the top in a bayonet charge against automatic weapons?
If he was being condescending it wasn’t condescending enough against the etch-a-sketch quantum Schrodinger Rawmomey candidate who, as long as he stays in the box can be a “moderate” and a “severe conservative” at the same time.No one has to try to make the Mittster look like a fool.He does a good job of that all on his own.It just needs to be pointed out to people like you on occasion.
@ DF- Submarines and aircraft carriers with their aircraft are indeed part of the Navy so are the jarheads.Marine means Men Always Riding In Navy Equipment.
I was concerned there for a moment that I might have to worry about the horse and bayonet gap.Alternatively I could see Halliburton getting a no-bid contract to supply remounts and cavalry sabers.
We were issued bayonets during my war also.Being still in an era when some of our rations were older than the guys eating them our bayonets got used as can openers most of the time. A real P-38( the G.I. issue can opener that came with selected boxes of C-rats) was a thing of value, guarded carefully and worn with your dog tags.
Teebow you might want to reenlist it’s about the only thing I can think of that really suits your apparent intellectual level and skills.
Visitor 55 commented 2012-10-23 10:20:39 -0400 · Flag
@shady, ain’t gonna happen. Not when previously undecided voters in the swing states now say they’re going to vote for President Obama to serve a second term.

Then again, Etch-a-Sketch Rmoney’s Bane buddies own the voting machines and since neocons believe that if you can’t beat ’em, cheat ’em, the election may get stolen for Rmoney. A “win” for Rmoney is a huge loss for America.
ShadySmokeEater commented 2012-10-23 10:12:08 -0400 · Flag
Repeat after me, just so you’re not so upset in a couple weeks, “President Romney.” There, now wring hands, shout liar, repeat. President Romney, wring hands, shout liar, repeat. You’ll be good as new by Christmas I promise!
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