Although Fred Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church is famous for picketing funerals because "God hates fags," for some reason Fox Nation has decided to call them a "left-wing cult." And did you know that Phelps is a Democrat? In Fox Nation he is. (H/T/ Aria) UPDATED
In a post called, "Bikers Turn Out to Protect Newtown Mourners from Westboro Baptist Church," Fox Nation captions its photo with, "Bikers Turn Out to Protect Newtown Mourners from Left-Wing Westboro Cult."
Later, it describes Phelps by saying, "Conservative bikers turned out yesterday to protect Newtown mourners from Democrat Fred Phelps and his Westboro cult from protesting."
In the first place, it's highly unlikely that Phelps is a Democrat. But even if he were, why is that relevant in this story?
As for “distraught”— Sorry, I was taking a lesson from you. I was projecting something I had no clue about. Distraught was probably too strong a word. Would upset or miffed work better for you?
I never said that Fox News was a reliable source for unbiased information. I did say I do not think Fox News hates Homosexuals, thinks all Muslims are terrorists and hates non-whites. There is no doubt that Fox News leans to the right based on their prime time line-up. I say again, it is ok to hate Fox News if you disagree with what they air, but it is not ok to make things up so you can hate them even more.
The quotes I gave you did not come from any website. They came from his book, in his own words.
When I hear your so called dog whistles here is what I see…
Hard working Americans— people who work hard to make a living and provide for their families.
Welfare recipients- people who need money because they aren’t making any, or not enough.
Founding fathers—- those who claimed independence, fought a war for it, won, and drafted our constitution and bill of rights.
It is you who is Projecting race into the words, not Fox.
I had thought you were saying that you were an unbiased observer who doesn’t watch Fox News. But you are citing fairly extreme talking points from them, specifically from the troubling attack work of Ed Klein and David Limbaugh. The two positions would not seem to be compatible.
Ok ok.. fox hates African Americans, gays, and whoever else they hate. You have proven that for sure. They have a clandestine plane to kill homo sexuals and rid the country of minorities. I got it now.
And this will save time: Hanging out with people disparate viewpoints is what you do in college.
Show me where BHO said he ADMIRED MARXIST OR SOCIALISM. Show me where he mused on furthering communist ends. Show me anything that isn’t crap you scraped off right-wing nutjob websites.
By the way, here’s a couple dog-whistles Fox uses:
urban/community interests = black people who want to take all your money
hard-working Americans = white people
welfare recipients = colored people
founding fathers = federalists. not Jefferson, who was some sort of proto-Marxist.
“I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”
After college, Obama states that he lived on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, venturing to the East Village for what he called "the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union.
Ok I get it now. When someone says they are against gay marriage it actually means kill homosexuals and when someone says not all Muslims are terrorists it means the opposite. Thank you for the lesson in semantics.
I don’t believe that Fox News directly advocates the things you are discussing, but that was never the issue here. The issue was about the biased and extreme opinions that Fox is willing to encourage on its airwaves and on its website. These are positions that are based not on reason and on thought but on anger.
It’s strange to read a statement that if someone like Ann Coulter made an objectionable statement on Fox News, they would immediately be challenged by the host. I have very rarely seen such an occurrence. The usual approach is for an Ann Coulter or a Michelle Malkin to say something offensive, and for Sean Hannity to laugh along with them. Or Rush Limbaugh will say something over the top and Greta will nod sagely at him without discussing it. The very few times that someone has actually been called out for their behavior have actually been documented on this site. Please look at the archives here and you’ll find what little there is of such an event.
I’m honestly confused why you continue to parse over the semantics of Brian Kilmeade’s comments after multiple responses. Do you not understand the responses or do you simply wish to repeat your earlier statements? You seem to believe that my use of the phrase “dog whistle” is a problem. I don’t see why, given that it’s simply the latest phrase we’ve heard to discuss the way that right wing radio and Fox News work to express their opinions in an indirect manner. We gave you multiple examples of this, one of them being that any discussion of the immigration issue on Fox News is regularly accompanied by old video footage of people climbing over border walls or scrambling through the desert to enter the country. It’s a subtle way of reinforcing the viewers’ feelings that the matter is simply one of hordes of people overrunning the borders. We gave you the example that repeatedly giving Donald Trump a platform upon which to accuse the President of not being a citizen or conversely not being a good enough student sends a message to viewers, particularly ones who are predisposed to feel the same way. These are not “heavy accusations” and I do wonder why you think they are. These are facts, which this site has scrupulously documented over the last decade.
I agree with you that there are plenty of people who dislike Fox News on an emotional basis. Some of them have posted at this site, for obvious reasons. But the people who run this site, including Ellen, are actually doing a good job of keeping Fox accountable for its factual errors and its clear biases. They are trying to preserve the history of what is actually happening, and keep a record for posterity of the facts at hand. If they didn’t, in twenty years, one could imagine a mainstream news documentary obscuring the history of the Obama presidency by following the Fox News talking points that have been discredited here. We already must deal with people on a daily basis who get their information from Fox News and come to work with opinions about how President Obama somehow doesn’t respect the British or is somehow a secret Marxist. And this is the same, consistent problem we have seen when university students have conducted surveys of Fox News viewers. This is not a matter of “hating” Fox News or calling people liars, as you seem to want to do. This is a matter of understanding the historical record and learning from it.
I’ll assume that your reference to Marxism and socialism as regards our President is meant as humor and take that as such.
I have read Obama’s books, and never once does he mention “attending socialist functions and hobnobbing with Marxists.”
If Obama is a Marxist, he must be the worst one ever, what with the bank bailouts, the Detroit bailouts, the fact that the Dow is strong, the wealthy added $261 billion to their wealth.
If you think Obama is a Marxist, you are dumber than dog snot.
And if you don’t think Fox hates gays, hates blacks (unless they’re Republicans), hates Mexicans, hates environmentalists, hates Atheists, hates unions, hates, hates, hates, hates, hates.. then you’re even dumber than that.
Have you read Obama’s book? In his own words he talks about about attending socialist functions and hobnobbing with Marxists. Many of his policies are socialist in nature, hence the references to communism, and socialism when discussing the president. The only times I have heard fascist and nazi is from Glenn back in reference to Obama, and Keith Olbermann in reference to Bush. They both are no longer with their respective networks. Those terms are thrown around by enemies of whoever is in office. It’s very unfortunate isn’t it?
Now I am glad we both agree that is ok to hate Fox News, but if it is because you you have been told that Fox News advocates killing homosexuals and holds the belief that all Muslims are terrorists, you are dreadfully misinformed.
C’mon man, these guys are dancing a very fine line between between enticement and they have only your American laws to thank or they’d be sued to bankrupcy in Europe or the rest of the western world. Fox news personalities do not challenge each other on even the most basic things one can imagine. Colmes was there to get bulldozed by Hanity and not a ONE of them ever corrected Beck or Coulter or any of the tinoil hat crowd when they flat out said Obama/Democrats are communists/nazi/facsist/socialist ect et ect.
This is wrong. Please look these words up and compare your goverment to these and the historical allusions the fox pundits make in thier arguemnts.
Even the above, the westboro ‘baptists’ are a left wing group…. really fox? Really? You can see why the network is held in such low regard.
I’m rather glad I stumbeld onto this site. I do enjoy helping others.
How can you say that Brian Kilmead thinks that all Muslims are terrorists when he specifically said they are not. I agree completely that the second part of his quote is incorrect and offensive, but that does not mean he thinks all Muslims are terrorists. How does “not all Muslims are terrorists” not enter your semantics study?
You have the convenience of making some very heavy accusations without having to back them up. You say Fox News uses “dog whistles”… How convenient. You have fallen deeper in to the semantics “pitfall” much deeper than I have.