Bill Ball:

Sorry to burst your bubble but no comments of any sort were deleted on this thread except, maybe, duplicates.

No Kevin – he kinda came out of nowhere. I’m guessing those two sentences are the finest Mister BB has ever written (or copied and pasted) and he prowls liberal sites day and night for yet another opportunity to proudly plant them on a page no pro-Trump plonker has previously polluted.

Bill Ball? Is this really one of O’Bully’s testicles we are discussing?

Am I the only person confused by Bill’s comment?

How many Trump supporter’s comments had to be deleted to end up with this pseudo intellectual drivel? My guess is around a few hundred.

I’d like to “break a lance” in favour of Keven’s carefully constructed analyses packed with facts that have so often filled the gaps in my knowledge of American history. Whenever I see his name, I know it’s time to get fresh cuppa and/or take a pit stop so that I can read the post from start to finish.

I don’t share the modern preference for the sort of fast food called the sound bite, and feel that complex messages are weakened by being cut up into bits and pieces.. Kevin’s posts are (IMO) good examples of the fine arts of dialectics and patience, and he’s positively “Socratic” during exchanges with the younger but still open minded trolls. At least two of them actually admitted that he’d given them food for thought. Anyway, being paper dependent, with failing eyes to boot, I often print out his longer posts in order to read them at leisure, flipping easily back and forth to verify this or that.

That said, John McKee’s sharp wit provides an excellent counterpoint. Don’t either of you change, y’hear?

Kevin,

Please just write comments as you see fit. Your thoughts are always appreciated. We’ve never had a length requirement and I don’t see a need to start one now. :)

John and Kevin: Hope you are both content being Democrats. The maturity and intelligence you both displayed in this discussion, shows that neither one of you could ever make it as a T. Rump “Repugnantcan”. I always enjoy the posts from you both. :)

Absolutely agree, KK. I know the feeling well and have to force myself to stop before I bore the bejeezuz out of everyone. Like most of us, I’m sure, I really value your contributions and almost always agree with your thoughts.

Oh happy happy joy joy. Eight days from now, the words ‘Trump’ and ‘President’ will never again need to be used in a grammatical, coherent sentence!

I’ll try to be briefer in my posts.

I’m just not good at the short answer, and most times I’m dealing with issues that are not ten words or less. Much of our political problem today comes from people getting their news from soundbites. I feel a need to reach deeper.

I also have issues with the right wing trying to rewrite our history – I’ve tried to help dispel that nonsense here.

No it wasn’t “I’m scared”, it was" I’m nervous. I’m starting to get nervous. I’m nervous. I’m nervous. "
Maybe an editor for Christmas. Or Festivus.

I really don’t give a damn what Megyn’s kids think or say. But what was really funny was an episode of Stephen Colbert a couple weeks ago where Trump visited a kindergarten class. This one little girl must have had liberal parents cuz she made her feelings known. Her voice carried across the room saying “I am scared!” over and over. Trump tried to pretend not to hear it and moved on quickly. Colbert has a good eye and ear for comedy.

Kevin K, I read every last word of your latest ‘reaction’, something I cannot force myself to do with your usual book-length missives. I scan them, of course, but I’m sure I miss important points you make, due to me not having all day to read them. PLEASE – break them up into bite-size chunks, even if you have to post three times as often.

I DO value your opinions, but not more than Eyes On, Antoinette, Jan, David L, Erich or a dozen other posters who generally manage to get their points across in two or three paragraphs.

The Democrats frankly didn’t have the zeal to properly deal with what happened in Iran/Contra. They were essentially batted around the Capitol by crooks like Ollie North and Richard Secord and Elliott Abrams, who all took time to try to lecture the congressmen about why their criminal acts were somehow patriotic.

In the end, the one major accomplishment of the Iran/Contra hearings, aside from forcing some of them to publicly state what they had done (and many lied anyway) was to obstruct the real investigation that was supposed to have been conducted by Lawrence Walsh.

To my mind, there’s probably a solid competition between the Nixon, Reagan and W presidencies for which ones had the most corruption and graft. There was plenty to go around, and many of the most venal people were repeatedly employed in all three administrations. The George HW Bush presidency was in some ways the least corrupt, but he distinguished himself by ineptly getting us into Desert Storm and by inflicting Clarence Thomas onto the Supreme Court.

Kevin K, the Reagan administration may have had the most convictions but for my money Bush/Cheney was by far worse. Except that democrats have lost the zeal to prosecute criminal/corrupt/just plain rotten behavior since the ninetys. That and some rotten judges thrown in the mix. It’s like democrats are thinking “If we play nice maybe the republicans will too.”
WRONG!!
Maybe voters are in a punish republicans frame of mind. I hope so.

Cubs up 3-1 in the fifth.

David, I think part of the issue these guys are having is that they constantly need to drum up Democrat scandals to try to balance all the ones we keep having from the GOP presidencies.

People today don’t remember this, but the presidency of Ronald Reagan was marred by a record number of indictments and convictions of cabinet officials. Iran Contra was not the only criminal mess under Reagan. Staffers like Michael Deaver and Lyn Nofziger were convicted of crimes, and there was a perpetual stench of graft emanating from that White House as regarded all the defense contract lobbying and the behavior of Edwin Meese and Wedtech, among many other things. The only president to see more of his cabinet prosecuted was Warren G. Harding.

So it’s no surprise that the right wing would go after Bill Clinton with everything they had, in the hopes that they could spread a false narrative that the Clintons were criminal and corrupt. At the least, they hoped to muddy the waters enough to confuse the next generation about what had happened in the 1980s. And lo and behold, it appears that they have partly succeeded. Ronald Reagan is perceived these days as a wonderful president who had a wonderful couple of terms, and Bill Clinton is seen through guarded political lenses – even people who loved the Clinton presidency now tend to qualify that by saying that “he had problems…” To me, it’s one thing to have issues with the Clintons over their triangulation of right wing points of view. It’s another thing to accept right wing propaganda talking points about the Clintons as historical facts.

And after 2000, the George W. Bush presidency was repeatedly rocked by scandals and criminal behavior – everything from Dick Cheney’s refusal to separate himself from Haliburton while it profiteered in Iraq to the coverup of the Plame/Wilson leak to the outrageous behavior of Alberto Gonzales which resulted in his resigning in disgrace. And that doesn’t even get into all the questionable connections between Bush’s people and the various companies like Enron that did their best to plunder and pillage the wallets of everyday Americans. So of course when Barack Obama became President in 2009, it’s no surprise again that the right wing attempted to invent any kind of scandal they could, to once again muddy the waters and paint the Democrats as dirty as the right wing had been behaving over the prior 8 years. I’ve frankly lost count of the number of failed “scandal” stories that right wing radio, Matt Drudge and Fox News have attempted to fan over President Obama’s two terms. Solyndra, Joe Sestak, Fast & Furious, the IRS, intelligence briefings, Benghazi, etc, etc etc. And for all these attempts at mud-flinging, we’re still left with the old Clara Peller line from the Wendy’s commercial: “Where’s the Beef?”

The reality is that the right wing would like everyone to forget about the very real venality and criminality demonstrated by many staffers and cabinet members of recent GOP presidencies. Not just invented stories on right wing blogs – actual, real criminal offenses that led to indictments and real convictions. I know the right wing wishes they had that kind of thing on President Obama and they certainly wish they could have found real corruption in the Clinton White House. But they don’t. The best they were able to do is show the American people that Clinton was unfaithful to his wife – something that is certainly distasteful but not the rampantly criminal behavior seen in the right wing administrations that preceded and followed his. It’s too bad that the right wing insists on going down all these rabbit holes trying to find the “magic bullet” scandal that doesn’t exist. If they were to put that kind of energy into constructively working with the Dems, we could actually have a functioning government. And wouldn’t that be a better outcome for everyone?

Seven five and three ,and already they are being fed hate and lies,great Mother you are Ms.Kelly.

Bret Harger, the emails have always been much ado about nothing, tempest in a teapot. Maybe you were born yesterday, but the rest of us weren’t. You want to hear some more molehills turned into mountains? Whitewater, Vince Foster, lying about a blowjob and the list goes on and on cuz it’s the Clintons. Cuz when it concerns the Clintons, right wingers turn into cross eyed, foaming at the mouth rabid fools.

Don Rose, it’s not nice to insult your host. You probably learned that from the Orange Donald. Make sure you make a campaign contribution to the orange one.

This arricle is writren by a ×××× sucking lying liberal!

Bret seems to have missed James Comey’s actual press conference in July. If he’d seen it and actually paid attention to what Comey said, he would know that actually, nobody would be put in prison for what Clinton did in having her private server. Because, as Comey put it, no respectable prosecutor would try to bring a case about this situation as it wouldn’t be provable in court.

Bret has been confused by a nonstop barrage of right wing pundits on Fox News and on the radio, who really, really want everyone to think that Clinton is a criminal rather than a politician. They want everyone to think that Clinton’s server is somehow a much more serious act than what was committed by David Petraeus. He’s forgotten that Petraeus was caught in the act of DELIBERATELY LEAKING classified intel to his mistress, who was writing a book about him. That’s an open and shut case, and he was properly disciplined for it. As Comey attempted to explain in July, a case against Clinton would have to show that she either was intending to leak information or was doing something so egregious that she’d have to know the information was leaking. The idea of intent not mattering has to do with a situation when it’s so blatant that the defendant can’t just say that they didn’t know. In Clinton’s case, there actually wasn’t much in the way of classified intel that was on that server, and what was there had been retroactively classified later. She handled the classified intel directly at work in a secure manner. Comey was displeased with Clinton for having this server but noted that he couldn’t see a prosecution as being appropriate. And that was the end of that.

The current situation is about non-confidential material that Huma Abedin was printing out for Clinton – since it was part of her chain of information, the FBI is looking at these emails to see if there is anything there, but even they admit, as Comey does, that they don’t know that anything here has significance. As far as we can tell, much of this is simply duplicative of what they’ve already reviewed elsewhere, and the content is the usual memoranda and general review material that Clinton would regularly see. Not highly confidential intel about bin Laden, sorry. If anything like that were to pop up in the printing laptop, that would be the shocker of the year, and the FBI examiners know that.

One has to wonder what presidential candidate Bret would prefer. It doesn’t sound like he’d support Sanders, given that he’s calling Clinton a “lying feminist snake”. Maybe he supports Ted Cruz or Gary Johnson. Maybe he’d like to see Alex Jones run for office. Either way, it doesn’t sound like he’s going to get his way here.

One doesn’t have to be a huge Hillary Clinton supporter to understand the importance for this country of repudiating Donald Trump and his supporters. When the polls close a week from Tuesday, it is necessary that the world see that the USA is not a country of bigots, racists and haters. It is necessary that the world see that we stand apart from such viciousness. It is necessary that the right wing learn a lesson about the cost of their constant obstruction over the past 8 years – that continuing to stir the oars of hatred will bear them no fruit. It is necessary that we get back to the business of having a functional government that can do things like set a budget and name judges to the various courts including the Supreme Court. It is high time that the right wing is held accountable for their refusal to honor their supposed dedication to this country rather than their own agenda.

What world do you live in? Are you or any of your zombie followers aware that if you did what she did you’d be in prison? When are people going to grow up? I get it… You really, really, REALLY want Hillary to win and she likely will. God knows we’d very likely be worse off with Trump! But can’t you…anyone start calling a spade a spade? You hide behind your little keyboard and spew out a bunch of cr*p and all the zombies shout AMEN! This country is so screwed! If ‘We the People’ actually came together and called these criminals out we might have a better choice for president than a lying feminist snake and a reality show egotistical maniac. Well done, America, you get what you deserve!

If Kelly is sincerely worried that her kids will be harmed by worrying about the prospect of Clinton’s post-election imprisonment for maybe lying to Comey, I wonder what a President Trump’s fraud trial or a child-rape trial will do to them?

“You have to wonder what Kelly told her kids to prompt such questions.” Exactly. At that age kids are just parrots of what they’ve pick up from people around them. Sad to think she’s raising a couple of ‘Bill O’Reillys’. 😼

It sounds like a loyalty test for Ms. Megyn to replace BOR. In the first paragraph, second sentence of hers. It’s all there. Company loyalty above family.