Has Roger Ailes instructed his staff to cite lack of "faith" as a reason for the horrific, Connecticut school massacre committed by somebody who might have had a serious mental disorder and who had access to some very efficient weaponry? Reason I'm asking is that it isn't just Mike Huckabee and Fr. Morris who are bringing "faith" into the discussion. During a discussion with Mike Huckabee, even Geraldo Rivera, one of the more rational actors in the Fox studio, got in on the "godless" act with a reference to the apocalypse and the extraordinarily ridiculous statement that "...it is impossible for me to miss the point that were this a faith-based young man he could not have possibly perpetrated this evil." History says otherwise; but in pushing Fox propaganda, who cares about that!?
Last night, during his show, Mike Huckabee spoke with Geraldo Rivera who was in Connecticut. As News Hounds Ellen reported, Huckabee tried to walk back his now infamous comments, made to Neil Cavuto, about godlessness in American life - comments that, according to Huckabee, have resulted in "vile and vicious" attacks, by the "predictable left" against him. What Huckabee didn't mention is that not all of the reaction was from the left. Peter Wehner, of the conservative Jewish magazine, Commentary, accused Huckabee of using "a heartbreaking and inexplicable mass killing to push his conservative social agenda." Wehner finds Huckabee's comments both "flippant and offensive."
After Huckabee's screed, during which he lied about how the HHS is forcing employers to provide "tax payer funded abortion pills" (The mandate does not include actual abortion pills; but rather coverage for emergency contraception which is seen as an abortion drug only by evangelicals and the Catholic Church and not the medical community), Huckabee spoke with Geraldo Rivera who was in Connecticut. And that's where it got a strange.
Rivera started by giving Huckabee "a big, electronic embrace. He continued with "this atrocity was a godless act and that this perpetrator was in every way the devil incarnate here on earth." It got stranger. Hopefully, Rivera was speaking metaphorically when he added that the shooter was "an agent of the apocalypse."
But he saved the best for last: "I'm not a preacher. I have an unusual, as you know, theological background, my Jewish mother, my Catholic father, but "it is impossible for me to miss the point that were this a faith-based young man he could not have possibly perpetrated this evil."
Really? The Texas Tower killer, Charles Whitman was a Catholic altar boy and Eagle Scout. The Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh was raised as a Catholic. Abortion clinic bomber Eric Rudolph acted out of religious conviction. Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik identified as a Christian. And then, of course, we have the Crusades, Inquisition, and numerous wars fought by those who were immersed in "faith."
We don't know what prompted Adam Lanza to commit his horrific deed. We do know that this kind of school, workplace, and neighborhood violence is happening all too frequently. The devil isn't a player here. But mental health issues (in the Middle Ages considered the devil's work) and availability of high powered weaponry are. But rather than face the real questions, Fox News is focusing on godlessness of society and lack of faith. We don't know much about Lanza. For all we know, he might have had a faith based background. But here's the question, do Huckabee and Geraldo believe that a Muslim faith-based person wouldn't perpetrate evil? Just saying...
Yet it has just come out that the killer’s mother was an apocalyptic nut who taught her mentally ill son to shoot. Will these clowns take back their words if it comes out they were religious?
Yes ,thanks Doors for refreshing my memory.I had forgotten his name but the horror I will never forget.
Yup. All that person needs is a weapon that can spew out several bullets a second for several minutes.
While I agree on the importance of improving mental health care as part of better health care coverage in general, there’s no denying that an unbalanced person will do far less damage using a knife or a baseball bat (to mention two of the weapons that pro-gun idiots often refer to).
Kids learn that level of arithmetic in Grade 1.
Now, granted these weren’t cases of “mass murder” but if a person’s capable of killing one person, he’s more than capable of killing multiple people in a single incident.
And what about that creep in Guiana ,the one that made all those people drink poisioned Koolaid,that also was a kind caring Christian.There is so much evil and death associated with the churches and the ChristianFaith and chillingly enough in the name of God and Jesus, very very chilling.
I can’t believe it’ll soon be 20 years.
I didn’t mean to infer ..well not infer, but actually say “Billions of Faith Based massacres..” What I meant to say was Billions of massacred people. It only takes a few thousand massacres to amount to a billion people being killed at the rate of 100,000 people/per massacre to add up to this number, and these numbers are probably low since the the Nazis alone killed over 11 million.
Had to post this to correct my numbers as ‘The Great Spaghetti Monster’ followers would have had a field day claiming my numbers were bogus.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders.
And we ALL know how the Church tried to isolate itself from this madman.
The church congratulated Hitler on his assumption of power. German bishops released a statement that wiped out past criticism of Nazism by proclaiming the new regime acceptable, then followed doctrine by ordering the laity to be loyal to this regime just as they had commanded loyalty to previous regimes. Since Catholics had been instrumental in bringing Hitler to power and served in his cabinet, the bishops had little choice but to collaborate.
German Catholics were stunned by the magnitude and suddenness of this realignment. The rigidly conformist church had flipped from ordering its flock to oppose the Nazis to commanding cooperation. A minority among German Catholics was appalled and disheartened. But most “received the statement with relief—indeed with rejoicing—because it finally also cleared the way into the Third Reich for Catholic Christians” alongside millions of Protestants, who joined in exulting that the dream of a Nazi-Catholic-Protestant nationalist alliance had been achieved. The Catholic vote for the Nazis increased in the last multi-party elections after Hitler assumed control, doubling in some areas, inspiring a mass Catholic exodus from the Zentrum to the fascists. After the Reichstag fire, the Zentrum voted en masse to support the infamous Enabling Act, which would give the Hitler-Papen cabinet executive and legislative authority independent of the German Parliament. Zentrum’s bloc vote cemented the two-thirds majority needed to pass the Act.
Faith based or self serving? We report, You decide.
"I’m not a preacher. I have an unusual, as you know, theological background, my Jewish mother, my Catholic father, but “it is impossible for me to miss the point that were this a faith-based young man he could not have possibly perpetrated this evil.”
You want an unusual theological background?
As Padre Johnathan Morris about Marcial Maciel if he didn’t perpetrate his evil.
What a marooon.
I wonder if I could come up with just 1 example that shows otherwise (leaving out the obvious examples of the Spanish Inquisition, or the Crusades). Lets spend 5 minutes on the Internet and see if we can find some ‘Faith-Based…. Evil’ committed in the name of, let’s pick, Jesus.
The Sabra and Shatila massacre was the massacre of between 762 and 3,500 Palestinian and Lebanese Shiite Muslim civilians, by a Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia assisted by the Israel Defense Forces.
In the St. Bartholomew’s Day massacre followers of the Roman Catholic Church killed up to 30,000 Huguenots (French Protestants) in mob violence. The massacres were carried out on the national day celebrating Bartholomew the Apostle. Pope Gregory XIII sent the leader of the massacres a Golden Rose, and said that the massacres “gave him more pleasure than fifty Battles of Lepanto, and he commissioned Giorgio Vasari to paint frescoes of it in the Vatican”. The killings have been called “the worst of the century’s religious massacres”, and led to the start of the fourth war of the French Wars of Religion. Rwandan Genocide:
When the Roman Catholic missionaries came to Rwanda in the late 1880s, they contributed to the “Hamitic” theory of race origins, which taught that the Tutsi were a superior race. The Church has been considered to have played a significant role in fomenting racial divisions between Hutu and Tutsi, in part because they found more willing converts among the majority Hutu.The Organization of African Unity (OAU) report on the genocide states,
In the colonial era, under German and then Belgian rule, Roman Catholic missionaries, inspired by the overtly racist theories of 19th century Europe, concocted a destructive ideology of ethnic cleavage and racial ranking that attributed superior qualities to the country’s Tutsi minority, since the missionaries ran the colonial-era schools, these pernicious values were systematically transmitted to several generations of Rwandans.
The list goes on and on for this 1 religion alone, let alone what must amount to Billions of Faith Based massacres throughout history.
If you, or anyone you know claim, that Faith-Based people are immune from committing violence?…Well it is obvious that you/they have been brainwashed to ignore history. You have learned well Grasshopper.