September 07, 2005

John Gibson blatantly politicizes blame game

In his "My Word" segment on The Big Story, John Gibson comes right out and says what Fox-viewers need to hear: the awful aftermath of Hurricane Katrina was Democrats' fault. Read the transcript:

"Yesterday I suggested George Bush might want to think about firing some people, perhaps starting with FEMA director Mike Brown, mainly for the offense of spending so much time on TV with his foot in his mouth over the slow response to the disaster. Howls of protest showin' up in my e-mail: "How dare you blame Bush? How dare you blame FEMA?"

(Puts palm up) Let me be as clear. The state of Louisiana and the city of New Orleans were absolutely derelict in their duty to help their own people. Everybody who lives in a disaster zone knows you can't count on the feds for three days. Forget it, they can't get there any faster with any significant relief.

Cities have to get along on their own for a little while. New Orleans knew it, Louisiana knew it, yet no state or city official parked a few truckloads of water and MREs at the Superdome or at the convention center, where they knew flood refugees would congregate.

Why do you think the Astrodome in Texas was all set for thousands of refugees? Because the Astrodome is always set up to take thousands of refugees from Galveston, another place everybody knows will get hammered again someday.

So the pitiful leadership of the Democrat administration in Louisiana and New Orleans gets most of the blame. Nobody should have known better than the locals how vulnerable the city of New Orleans was. Having said that, I will repeat what I think a lot of people sense: the president has to backstop basket case cities and woefully inadequate mayors and governors. Sorry, Democrat or Republican, he just does. You can't have Cuba offering assistance to American flood victims.

National Guard or Military choppers should have landed at crowded evacuation points and put water and food on the ground. But, ultimately, the horror in New Orleans is not as much the fault of George Bush as it is the fault of the governor and the mayor. They are always primarily responsible for their city and they let their city down.

However, Bush should still fire some people. They let the rest of us down, especially the people of New Orleans. And, by the way, they let the president down.

I've been fired a few times. It's not the end of the world. So George, fire somebody. That's my word.

Comment: I'd like to give Mayor Nagin five minutes with Gibson. Take Gibson out of his insulated studio and put him in a disaster zone and see how he fares.

Reported by chrish at September 7, 2005 12:47 AM
Comments

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How dare you blame FEMA?
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Oh my God. He's not serious, is he?

Jesus.

Posted by: Kim, Pb.D at September 7, 2005 01:50 AM

Seems Gibson is just spewing the same talking points that Hannity, Falafel, Cavuto, Rumsfeld and other right wingers.

So once again, I will ask that they read the Homeland Security document, page 43.

They don't need to be invited - they just have to read page 43 from Homeland Security. (From Dee and I will keep using it until it gets through to everyone)

This is the one that really gets me - on Monday and Tuesday - the president was - ON VACATION.

He was the one who set up FEMA to be under the direction of HOMELAND SECURITY.

From Dee:

This one administration sure isn't efficient.

They forgot about pg 43 of the the DHS manual.

http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/NRP_FullText.pdf
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And, also from Dee - the first paragraph:

It's not my opinion. It's the Deparmtent of Homeland Security's document.


In catastrophe situations where state and local resources are overwhelmed, coordination for federal assistance is not to be delayed and the
first priority is immediately deploy federal resources to save lives and protect
infrastructure. And the procedure to coordinate with state and local government should not be an obstacle.
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Read the paragraph - please. Federal assistance is NOT TO BE DELAYED and the FIRST PRIORITY IS IMMEDIATELY DEPLOY FEDERAL RESOURCES TO SAVE LIVES AND PROTECT INFRASTRUCTURE and the procedure to coordinate with state and local government SHOULD NOT BE AN OBSTACLE.

Read and comment, please. Rumsfeld doesn't have a clue.

Scarlet, PbD
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I'm tired of these talking points. As early as Thusday before the hurricane weather people were saying it was going to grow in strength (the gulf was 2 degrees warmer than normal) and headed toward New Orleans.

That's when the planning should have started by the Feds.

Why do they never have a 'plan'?

Scarlet, PbD

Posted by: Scarlet, PbD at September 7, 2005 01:58 AM

page 43... I like it...

Posted by: rich C at September 7, 2005 01:59 AM

What a sicko - i would love to see somebody put their Bic to his hairspray.

Posted by: gogo at September 7, 2005 02:00 AM

Gibson -

Listen noodle wit - in case you dont know, the astrodome floor is below sea level - it was the world's largest swimming pool for many years - had we taken a hit like New Orleans I would not be in the astrodome you can count on that!

Posted by: gogo at September 7, 2005 02:08 AM

12:38 a.m. ET Sept. 7, 2005
WASHINGTON - The government’s disaster chief waited until hours after Hurricane Katrina had already struck the Gulf Coast before asking his boss to dispatch 1,000 Homeland Security workers to support rescuers in the region — and gave them two days to arrive, according to internal documents.

Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, sought the approval from Homeland Security Secretary Mike Chertoff roughly five hours after Katrina made landfall on Aug. 29. Brown said that among duties of these employees was to “convey a positive image” about the government’s response for victims.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9233396/

Posted by: gogo at September 7, 2005 02:11 AM

I'd like to give Mayor Nagin five minutes with Gibson.
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Can I reserve the next five minutes after that?

Posted by: Ebonius at September 7, 2005 02:29 AM

Brown said that among duties of these employees was to “convey a positive image” about the government’s response for victims.

gogo,
That's disgusting. These guys are all about the marketing. They're the pointy-haired boss in Dilbert.

And as for "and gave them two days to arrive, according to internal documents" this should be on the front page! I kept saying, how long does it take to get to NOLA? With two drivers switching off you could get there from anywhere east of the Rockies in two days tops!!

Posted by: chrish at September 7, 2005 02:32 AM

"Everybody who lives in a disaster zone knows you can't count on the feds for three days."

Sure you can, with competent leadership.

"You can't have Cuba offering assistance to American flood victims."

Why? Wounded pride?

Gibson must miss the Doghouse..

Posted by: Alex Thorpe at September 7, 2005 02:32 AM

A)
"Everybody who lives in a disaster zone knows you can't count on the feds for three days."

They say that NOW,but wasn't FEMA supposed to make it the new improved instant response? That's what they promised.

Oh, well, back to hittin' Clinton.

B)
"Cities have to get along on their own for a little while."

Sure, especially cities wiped off the map, hmmm. . .

C)
"Why do you think the Astrodome in Texas was all set for thousands of refugees? "

Anything to do with it bein' GOPland?

D)
" Nobody should have known better than the locals how vulnerable the city of New Orleans was."

Anyone at the White House able to read?. . .

October 2001 Scientific American

Drowning New Orleans; October 2001; by Mark Fischetti; 10 page(s)

THE BOXES are stacked eight feet high and line the walls of the large, windowless room. Inside them are new body bags, 10,000 in all. If a big, slow-moving hurricane crossed the Gulf of Mexico on the right track, it would drive a sea surge that would drown New Orleans under 20 feet of water. "As the water recedes," says Walter Maestri, a local emergency management director, "we expect to find a lot of dead bodies."
New Orleans is a disaster waiting to happen. The city lies below sea level, in a bowl bordered by levees that fend off Lake Pontchartrain to the north and the Mississippi River to the south and west. And because of a damning confluence of factors, the city is sinking further, putting it at increasing flood risk after even minor storms. The low-lying Mississippi Delta, which buffers the city from the gulf, is also rapidly disappearing. A year from now another 25 to 30 square miles of delta marsh-an area the size of Manhattan-will have vanished. An acre disappears every 24 minutes. Each loss gives a storm surge a clearer path to wash over the delta and pour into the bowl, trapping one million people inside and another million in surrounding communities. Extensive evacuation would be impossible because the surging water would cut off the few escape routes. Scientists at Louisiana State University (L.S.U.), who have modeled hundreds of possible storm tracks on advanced computers, predict that more than 100,000 people could die. The body bags wouldnÆt go very far.

E)
"And, by the way, they let the president down."

Yup, Bush just can't get enough idiots on his side. He claims he has 53% of America now, but it just ain't enough.

Posted by: Kent Brockman at September 7, 2005 02:34 AM

how strange... i thought the party line was that there were no delays, everything was in place and the government did it's best in the circumstances.... but...

"Everybody who lives in a disaster zone knows you can't count on the feds for three days. "

so, there were delays, the government is never capable of responding quickly and the circumstances don't matter?

is this what they call spin?

Posted by: uk_dave at September 7, 2005 03:15 AM

Round and round the laundromat, uk_dave. What you can't explain, blame someone else for. What you can't blame someone else for, ignore. What you can't ignore, hide.

What you can't hide...ah, now maybe we come to it at last...

Dizzy yet? We've had nearly 5 years of this sorry charade to cope with already.

Posted by: ET PbD at September 7, 2005 03:46 AM

FEMA turned away three truckloads of water from Wal-Mart on Tuesday, August 31, according to Aaron Broussard in his interview on Meet the Press last Sunday.

FOX News is running so scared they're making it up on the fly and getting caught almost instantly in their lies.

Marie Therese

Posted by: Marie Therese at September 7, 2005 04:02 AM

Marie Therese

I was listening to the clips of BOR, on Stephanie Miller, claiming he was sending in those busses. Like he was the one personal doing the saving.

He is such an ingoranus.

Posted by: Dee Pb.D at September 7, 2005 04:06 AM

Dee, Marie - is this a turning point, do you think, in the general populace returning to the good ol' "grain of salt" where the claims of Fox are concerned? Is this the ultimate, unavoidable wake-up call for US Media?

Posted by: ET PbD at September 7, 2005 04:49 AM

This guy Gibson is the absolute dreggs.

They don't come any lower at Fox than this grenade lobbing dirtbag.

His commentaries are typically the most obscene of all the water carriers on this show.

How did a mindless albino looking thug like him get into television "journalism" anyway?

Sheesh.

Lenny

Posted by: Liberal Lenny at September 7, 2005 05:34 AM

ET PbD

We just have to follow the money or the legislation. If some new legislation suddenly appears to give these 5 media families more rights to buy up more properties, they will try to silence everything.

Posted by: Dee Pb.D at September 7, 2005 05:54 AM

Of all the people I wish a beheading upon from Fox News John Gibson would be the first person I would wish it upon. He's a pig and I'm serious.

Posted by: Rendon76 at September 7, 2005 06:30 AM

Let's see, 8 seconds for the Mayor to catch him, 2 seconds to knock him out. It would last about 20 seconds.

The criticisms of the Mayor are unsound.

School buses don't belong to the city, they belong to the school authority. The mayor can't order the school district to put assets and personnel on the line in a storm. The insurance issues alone make this notion insane. At max, they would have taken 11,000 people who had no destination, and presumedly would be removed to some location seveal hundred miles away. There is simply no mechanism for the mayor to seize the buses before a storm hits, order bus drivers into them, and order people onto them. If he had, he would have been excoriated by every rightwinger in the country for his seizing such items. Let's not forget the same commentators couldn't stop talking about shooting on sight people who had "looted" bread and water.

The mayor got 80% of the people out of the city. In a POOR city with a large urban, poverty stricken population, getting 80% out was a miracle. Post storm events have proved he couldn't have made most leave.

Posted by: Gabby Hayes at September 7, 2005 06:36 AM

Comment: I'd like to give Mayor Nagin five minutes with Gibson. Take Gibson out of his insulated studio and put him in a disaster zone and see how he fares.

Reported by chrish at September 7, 2005 12:47 AM
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I was responding to this at the end of the topic report.

Posted by: Gabby Hayes at September 7, 2005 06:38 AM

Louisiana politicians have alot more to answer for than the Feds do...

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By 1998, Louisiana's state government had a $2 billion construction budget, but less than one tenth of one percent of that -- $1.98 million -- was dedicated to levee improvements in the New Orleans area. State appropriators were able to find $22 million that year to renovate a new home for the Louisiana Supreme Court and $35 million for one phase of an expansion to the New Orleans convention center.
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CNS News (conservative source, but the facts should be easy to check)

Posted by: sjutton at September 7, 2005 07:16 AM

From the Picayune:

Sunday - 28th
About 26,000 New Orleans residents sought refuge from Hurricane Katrina at the Superdome, which authorities describe as the "shelter of last resort," Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu said late Sunday. To help keep them fed and hydrated, the Louisiana National Guard delivered three truckloads of water and seven truckloads of MREs — short for "meals ready to eat." That's enough to supply 15,000 people for three days.
Once Hurricane Katrina passes through, the Red Cross is prepared to deploy 750 employees and volunteers from Louisiana, plus an additional 2,000 from around the country.

Saturday - 27th
Nagin said the city would open the Superdome as a shelter of last resort for evacuees with special needs. He advised anyone planning to stay there to bring there own food, drinks and other comforts such as folding chairs, as if planning to go camping.
“No weapons, no large items, and bring small quanties of food for three or four days, to be safe,” he said.

maybe Gibson should read more -

Posted by: gogo at September 7, 2005 07:16 AM

Uh what does 1998 have to do with 2005?

You do know we're in the year 2005 don't you?

Posted by: Dee Pb.D at September 7, 2005 07:27 AM

"Blame game" -- its not a game, it's about accountability, stupid.

Lousiana? Its about the NEXT hurricane, stupid -- a national matter. There is a risk of yet another disaster this year.

Well plenty of competent staff are available, thugh we might have to drain th ehorse show industry of the talent it wants to retain:

http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=100857&format=text


Just how many washed up, down on their luck Bush Buddies are running our federal government?

God help our coutnry.

Posted by: don at September 7, 2005 07:35 AM

P.H. wrote:
Uh what does 1998 have to do with 2005?

My response:
The point was, Louisiana politicians, with a reputation of being some of the most corrupt in the nation, failed the people of that state. They had many years and lots of money to improved the levee system.

Read the article - documented wastes of money and the lack of priorty for levee improvements has gone on for years.


Posted by: sjutton at September 7, 2005 07:45 AM

You want corruption try Ohio.

And if you hate corruption so much, how in the hell are you so obsessed with the most corrupt administration since Nixon.

Posted by: Dee Pb.D at September 7, 2005 08:10 AM

In 1998, the governor of Louisiana was Mike Foster, a Republican. (1996-2004)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_Louisiana

Posted by: Canadian Paul at September 7, 2005 08:14 AM

sjutton,

The problem with your article is that it is like all such irrelevancies. You think that by generally impugning Louisiana politics, you make some point about this disaster.

The money for the levees comes predominantly from the federal government. Do you seriously think it's a city problem? Are you even passingly familiar with the geography of the Mississippi delta? Have you ever heard the term "exclusive federal jurisdiction?"

Navigable waterways in the US in coastal areas and harbors belongs to the US government. The Army Corps of Engineers and the Coast guard run it. The New Orleans levee is one part of a hugely important port in the US. As a nation, we had a much greater interest in those levees than we do in running the Iraq war for 8 hours.

That's right. All the money Bush didn't spend for the levees, all the money they all begged for the past 4 years, it doesn't run our boondoggle in Iraq for 8 hours.

The Bush priorities are killing this country. He's already killed New Orleans. What city will he kill next?

Posted by: Gabby Hayes at September 7, 2005 08:21 AM

Canadian Paul,
In 1998, the governor of Louisiana was Mike Foster, a Republican. (1996-2004)

My response:
Thanks for the update, but I was not implicating Dems or Reps in my posts, just Louisiana politics in general.

Dee wrote:
"the most corrupt administration since Nixon"

My response:
Thats a bit of a stretch. Scandal is not uncommon in 2 term administrations. Clinton and Reagan had corruption problems as well. Bush Sr and Carter didn't have too many problems, probably due to a lack of time in office :-)

Posted by: sjutton at September 7, 2005 08:33 AM

When you stop the transparency of the government to the point this one has, it will be equal to the corruption of Nixon.

Posted by: Dee Pb.D at September 7, 2005 08:37 AM


Thats a bit of a stretch.

Posted by: sjutton at September 7, 2005 08:33 AM
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Wrong.

This administration is much more scandal ridden than the Clinton administration. There's the $200 billion stolen in the BLOOD FOR OIL program. There's the $100 billion lost by not funding $200 million in New Orleans. There's the $20 billion lost to his 9/11 mess.

This is the sleaziest, most corrupt administration since Nixon.

Posted by: Gabby Hayes at September 7, 2005 08:38 AM

Gabby wrote:
The Bush priorities are killing this country. He's already killed New Orleans. What city will he kill next?

New Orleans would have been killed regardless of who was in the whitehouse (Gore, Kerry, Nader, Buchanan - take your pick) and everybody (except a few on this board, like you) knows it.

The city is BELOW sea level and unrestricted development over previouse decades (Dem and Rep administrations - local and national) has destroyed their wetlands which also would protect the city. Everything else (Bush, Global Warming, Iraq, etc) is noise.

Posted by: sjutton at September 7, 2005 08:41 AM

Gabby

It's James.

Posted by: Dee Pb.D at September 7, 2005 08:48 AM

Detective, you are correct.

Good call.

It's not Bush's fault that he killed hundreds of millions in improvements to the levees, all so he could pay a half billon a day to make Iraq a bigger mess than it was under Saddam.

Posted by: Gabby Hayes at September 7, 2005 09:15 AM

There is something that I am noticing with FOX commentators and Gibson is part of that. During the first week of the Katrina disaster, FOX kept a low profile and tried to soften the reports by Rivera and Shep Smith. Even those two reporters are now blaming their criticisms on frustration and exhaustion now that they are back in the comforts of FOX studios. With the situation in the Gulf states improving I can see the rhetoric at FOX getting more accusatorial towards the local and state government of Louisiana (no surprise that they are democrat) and distancing the White House from any responsibility in this national tragedy. Perhaps it took a week for the republicans to figure out how to blame the poor response on the dems or perhaps they are banking on Americans and our short attention span.

Posted by: Rob M at September 7, 2005 09:24 AM

What kind of 'news' channel is faux? Doesn't anyone there realize that if your president had just given the ok from his hobby farm vacation the world would have responded sooner and many, many lives could have been saved.
http://www.usembassycanada.gov/content/content.asp?section=embconsul&document=wilkins_thankyou

I think we should turn it into a drinking game -- every time you hear Blame Game, take a swig.

Posted by: stamk at September 7, 2005 09:25 AM

Its so sad. Fox News has taken over, it Blanco's fault, that is it. To bad the dems dont have backbone and come out and trash the fed response in high numbers. These pages, unfortunatly, are the minority. Where is John Kerry? Where is John Edwards? Where is the democratic spin machine? They always sit on the side and wait for the republicans to spin the truth so it favors Bush. This is so sad.

Posted by: Mfig at September 7, 2005 09:44 AM

John Kerry was in Iraq all last week.

You mean you didn't know that?

Posted by: Dee Pb.D at September 7, 2005 10:00 AM

I wrote this next number for the FOXERS.

The Blame Game
based upon the tune from Shirley Ellis

The blame game!

Mayor!
mayor, mayor bo bear, Banana fanna fo fair
Fee fy mo fair, Mayor!

Governor!
Governor, Governor bo Bovernor, Banana fanna fo fovernor
Fee fy mo Movnor, Governor!

Come on everybody!
I say now let's play a game
I betcha I can make a blame out of any Democrat's name

Posted by: Gabby Hayes at September 7, 2005 10:15 AM

I think we should turn it into a drinking game -- every time you hear Blame Game, take a swig.

Posted by: stamk
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No need, Stam. After reading this thread top to bottom it's obvious the trolls don't need an excuse to swig the sauce. Favorite brand? Karl Rove's purple Kool Aid with 180 proof Everclear.

Now on to the term "Blame Game." Notice how fast this catchy little alliteration was picked up by the White Fox House and spread around like "flip-flop?" Derogatory sloganeering seems to rise up like stink from a skunk every time the Bush administration gets poked. As a defense mechanism, it's OK, but it still is unmistakably "skunk" and everybody knows it.

Posted by: Ebonius at September 7, 2005 10:19 AM

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"Everybody who lives in a disaster zone knows you can't count on the feds for three days. "
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The hell? That's setting the bar so low, that there virtually is no bar. If you have to ability to sorta walk, you can make it over.

Gah, our government is playing limbo, not the pole vault!

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Karl Rove's purple Kool Aid with 180 proof Everclear.
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Purple Passion for the masses! It makes to you stupid, AND you can run your car on it. Nice.

Posted by: Kim, Pb.D at September 7, 2005 11:04 AM

CNNUSATODAYGALLUP POLL: ONLY 13% BLAME BUSH?

Posted by: Jose Chung at September 7, 2005 11:20 AM

Yes, New Orleans should have done more. There should have been a better plan in place. But it is always the feds that bear the bulk of the responsibility for disaster relief. Locals simply do not have the resources. It was obvious with New Orleans as it has been obvious with other hurricanes.
Three days for the feds to respond? Why is this typical? When radar and other indicators 48 hours before the storm show that it's going to hit the area hard, and there's no where else for it to go, why is FEMA not more prepared?

"We can't have Cuba offering help." This epitomizes Fox, the fact that they consider it unacceptable not that we are slow in responding, but that Cuba is beating the president to the punch. Somehow, in their mind, this says something awful about Cuba and New Orleans. To me, it says something awful about our president.

FEMA dropped the ball here, and I would be curious to know what, if anything has happened with their budget since 2001. I would wager that it has not increased. Who's responsible for that?

Posted by: Pastor Bill at September 7, 2005 11:32 AM

"You can't have Cuba offering assistance to American flood victims."


Damned, dirty Cubans and their lousy assistance! Let the people die before we accept help from a bunch of commies!

Posted by: Gooch at September 7, 2005 11:42 AM

If, as tou suggest, Mayor Nagin had five minutes alone with Gibson, I guarantee you somebody would not come out of there alive.

Posted by: Keith F. Odom at September 7, 2005 11:43 AM

On that note how about...

"Jeepers...creepers...where'd ya get those FREEPERS???..."

"Jeepers...creepers...where'd ya get those LIES???..."

Laah-la..Laah-la...Lah-la-lah-Laah-la-lah...

A-huum..thank-ya-vera-much...

Lenny

Posted by: Liberal Lenny at September 7, 2005 11:44 AM

Honestly, with this muti-hundred billion $$$ nation building disaster still evolving in Iraq and with no end in sight, and this nightmare national catastrophe, Bush debacle, here at home, it's obvious we are now more vulnerable than ever to a terror attack...

Can anyone in my beloved country honestly say they feel safer now with this incompetent, inept, corrupt administration in power?

How can you look yourself in the mirror?

My God...

Lenny

Posted by: Liberal Lenny at September 7, 2005 11:54 AM

Louisiana politicians have alot more to answer for than the Feds do...

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By 1998, Louisiana's state government had a $2 billion construction budget, but less than one tenth of one percent of that -- $1.98 million -- was dedicated to levee improvements in the New Orleans area. State appropriators were able to find $22 million that year to renovate a new home for the Louisiana Supreme Court and $35 million for one phase of an expansion to the New Orleans convention center.
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CNS News (conservative source, but the facts should be easy to check)

Posted by: sjutton at September 7, 2005 07:16 AM
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Straw man!

The levees were under the juristiction of the Army Corps of Engineers, a *federal* governmental agency.

The $1.98 million was probably the state's portion, not uncommon in a federal project. The other funds cited, however, were state responsibilities.

Find that Scientific American article mentioned above on "Drowning New Orleans", read it, and then come back and answer how the administration diverted the manpower of the LA National Guard and the funds of the ACOE to the war, and try to make a reasonable argument as to why the Democrats had more responsibility for this situation than the federal government.

As for Gibson, I'm not shocked he's parroting the party line.

MTL

Posted by: MikeTheLiberal at September 7, 2005 12:00 PM

One more on Gibson/Fox:

Now that the Republicans have managed to get the money to Mississippi before Louisiana, is there any doubt that this is politically motivated?

MTL

Posted by: MikeTheLiberal at September 7, 2005 12:03 PM

It's all politics for them Mike. They only know how to play politics, they just have no clue on how to govern.

Posted by: Dee Pb.D at September 7, 2005 12:08 PM

As long as ya'll are doing old music here. I've got to say that every time I can force myself to watch Gibson, not very often, I'm put in mind of the line from Warren Zevon's Werewolves of London- "His hair was perfect".And not that John would ever lower himself to actually report as in from out in the field, but if they ever did put him out in a high wind they'd have to anchor him down with that poufed up albino bouffant he might blow off like thistledown.I also wonder if the faux commentaters have an RPM performance bonus clause in their contracts the more they can spin for the chimperor maladministration the more they get paid.

Posted by: donquixote'shorse at September 7, 2005 12:23 PM

We can't have Cuba offering assistance to flood victims... TRANSLATION: Damn! This is the second time Castro beat Bush to the punch...WTF! We can't have this!

Posted by: brothermark at September 7, 2005 12:59 PM

Everybody who lives in a disaster zone knows you can't count on the feds for three days. Forget it, they can't get there any faster with any significant relief.
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And that's three working days too. If something happens over a weekend or holiday that'll set you back even longer.
Any special orders or requests, please add additional one to three days. Substitutions not allowed, don't even ask.

"Everybody knows..."

Everybody? Really?
That's ridiculous.
I guess all those stupid people in Louisiana either didn't read the fine print or simply forgot.

Of course the three day lead time of knowing the storm was going to hit doesn't count towards the three days of response time (unless you're blaming the LA government that is).
And then don't foget you have to *ask* the feds for help and God help you if you fill out the triplicate form incorrectly. Kicks you back all the way to the beginning.

Let's wait for the next big one to hit Hilton Head or Palm Beach, and start the clock and see how long it takes the feds to get there.


Posted by: Bob Ferrapuhls at September 7, 2005 01:33 PM

Great job by Tom Delay in killing the House investigation into this clusterfuck, Hottub Tom Delay, the purgatory-bound sleazee machine who's in a perfect position to take public heat for such a move, being a Dead Man Walkin' and all.

What a corrupt farce -- these fluffers keep working the President's sagging 'Little Image' rather than finding answers and solutions that might help in disasters in the future.

Does anyone who espouses a claim to "High Moral Values" really think these creeps have anything remotely to do with such things?

You know you're losing it, FOX, when only the ones that have had your full Koolaid Transfusion Therapy will swallow your tripe.

Posted by: gleem at September 7, 2005 02:39 PM

Off-topic, yet relevant.
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Annan accepts fault in oil-food case

Wednesday 07 September 2005, 19:52
Makka Time, 16:52 GMT

UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has said he assumed responsibility for management lapses uncovered by an independent investigation into the UN oil-for-food program for Iraq.
"The report is critical of me personally, and I accept its criticism," he told the Security Council on Wednesday after receiving the latest report by a panel led by former US Federal Reserve Board chairman Paul Volcker.

"As chief administrative officer, I have to take responsibility for the failings revealed," Annan said. Earlier, Volcker told the council that responsibility for the scandal "must be broadly shared."

"The responsibility for the failures must be broadly shared, starting, we believe, with member states and the Security Council itself," he said.

The UN chief also conceded that he was "not diligent or effective enough" in pursuing an investigation after he learned the Swiss company Cotecna that employed his son Kojo had won a large contract under the oil-for-food program.

"I deeply regret that," he said.

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Oh, if only our current U.S. "commander"-in-chief could muster the wherewithall to be as forthcoming.

Posted by: non_prophet at September 7, 2005 02:41 PM

Why do they never have a 'plan'?

Scarlet, PbD

Posted by: Scarlet, PbD at September 7, 2005 01:58 AM
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I'm sure you know, Scarlet, that they don't have a plan because this administration is inept at anything beyond attaining and maintaining power. bush and company are not only too inept to manage national affairs in any cogent manner, they are also too stupid to appoint persons into positions who ARE qualified to do so.

I ask the bush-lovers out there to name just ONE member of the bush team that has shown any level of understanding about the nature of his or her job, who has not been fired (Paul O'Neill?) for exercising that ability,or forced to resign (Colin Powell?)simply because their efforts were hamstrung.

Meanwhile, the world-class fuck-ups like George Tenet get medals of freedom, or others, like imperialist war-monger Paul Wolfowitz get promoted to head the World Bank.

Webster's revised definition for george w bush:

WORST PRESIDENT EVER!!!

Posted by: non_prophet at September 7, 2005 03:24 PM

"And because of a damning confluence of factors, the city is sinking further, putting it at increasing flood risk after even minor storms. The low-lying Mississippi Delta, which buffers the city from the gulf, is also rapidly disappearing. A year from now another 25 to 30 square miles of delta marsh-an area the size of Manhattan-will have vanished. An acre disappears every 24 minutes."

Because of activities of the oil and gas producers... who aren't held responsible for restoring what they destroy.

Posted by: sagra at September 7, 2005 03:27 PM

According to Fox New, of course something like what happened in New Orleans will happen when "those people" are making decisions.

"Those people" can mean either black people or Democrats. This term is interchangeable.

Posted by: Thomas at September 7, 2005 03:31 PM

"Clinton and Reagan had corruption problems as well."

Clinton had a lot of problems with a corrupt press.

Posted by: sagra at September 7, 2005 03:31 PM

"With the situation in the Gulf states improving I can see the rhetoric at FOX getting more accusatorial towards the local and state government of Louisiana (no surprise that they are democrat) and distancing the White House from any responsibility in this national tragedy."

According to wikipedia, Nagin was a registered Republican until right before he decided to run for Mayor ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Nagin ).

Posted by: sagra at September 7, 2005 03:34 PM

Barbara Bush's comments remind me of a story I saw on the Mobile local news.

Right after the hurricane, the town of Daphne, Alabama opened a community center as a shelter for evacuees. Daphne is one of the wealthiest towns in the area. The shelter was abruptly closed 24 hours later. The news story began with Daphne residents picketing outside the community center -- to reopen it.

One of the protestors explained that some other residents had campaigned to said that an unnamed resident had called her, asking her to complain to the mayor or Daphne that the shelter was full of "scuzzy" people. She had refused to make the call, and when the shelter abruptly closed, she organized the protest. The protestors carried signs saying "Daphne welcomes ALL hurricane victims."

The official word was that the Daphne shelter was closed because of overcrowding, but the reporter pointed out that the evacuees were sent to another shelter that was also crowded. They showed video of the evacuees being moved, some crying with frustration. The reporter also noted that the police had received NO reports of any wrongdoing by the evacuees at all.

A few days later the station had a follow-up report. Residents of Daphne were preparing their convention center to receive a new set of evacuees. The video showed over a hundred new cots set out in rows. A woman explained that the evacuees would first be evaluated by medical personnel who could help them get any prescriptions they might need, then they would be given food [video showed volunteers setting food service tables with white tablecloths]. They also had set up a separate play area for the children.

This story made me proud of the people of my home state. There are pitiful bigots, but often they trip over their own fear and the majority of good-hearted people prevail.

Posted by: sagra at September 7, 2005 04:08 PM

i am somewhat disappointed with the governments of mississippi and alabama failing to take enough action - but i am very disappointed with the citizens of the states who have done nothing - believing this is an act of god and its up to the locals to take care of it -

over here in texas we have been taking in people by the droves and giving them whatever we can without any help from the feds - these are not citizens of this state - this is a national crisis and these are human beings that are suffering

Posted by: gogo at September 7, 2005 04:50 PM

my small circle of friends have found free housing, clothing, food and jobs for about 30 people so far - that is totally separate from the 4,000 who are being given temp shelter and basic needs in the Austin "refugee" centers - we have not seen a cent from the feds and dont expect to

again i cannot stress it emphatically enough that these are fellow americans and real live human beings that are the casualties of this crisis and they need everyone's help and compassion

Posted by: gogo at September 7, 2005 04:58 PM

The Astrodome's elevation is 40 ft. That is not below sea level.

http://www.baseball-statistics.com/Ballparks/Hou/Astrodome.htm

Posted by: Cab1024 at September 7, 2005 06:48 PM

Unfortunately...the GOP cannot firmly place the blame on the TRUE culprit, Bill Clinton, YET!!!!

Posted by: EminemsRevenge at September 7, 2005 07:25 PM

Cab1024 -

if you are referring to my previous post, yes the ground level is 40' (and subsiding every year) but the floor is 25' below that and the excavation for the complex mechanism to move the floor is below that - technically you are right it is around 7' above sea level - however the dome is on lower land than the surrounding city - i worked on the dome - when first excavated it was flooded and remained flooded for several years - as to being acceptable for hurricane refugees, don't count on it - the roof is not as structurally sound as in NO - it was made to be translucent so they could grow grass in it (basically a large skylight) it leaked from the start - it would fill up like the city of NO did if the roof was breached and you could not leave unless by boat -

The mayor lays it all out on NO TV -

Tuesday, August 30th, 2005

http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=www.wwltv.com/082905mayor.wmv

discusses status of the city, FEMA, looters etc. before the major crisis took place - a real education on what happened now that we have hind sight

Posted by: gogo at September 7, 2005 07:34 PM

Another reason to be skeptical of taking shelter in the dome during a hurricane - On June 15, 1976, a game was rained out because the Astrodome flooded.

The big mistake hair boy made was to say that the super dome was not supplied - in fact "To help keep them fed and hydrated, the Louisiana National Guard delivered three truckloads of water and seven truckloads of MREs."

Posted by: gogo at September 7, 2005 07:56 PM

Gibson is a disaster - he is ignorant and a liar - he should be fired - his incompetence is obvious - as he said "I've been fired a few times." - most likely because he is a screw-up

Posted by: gogo at September 7, 2005 07:59 PM

Attempts to sidestep federal accountability for needless deaths of American citizens in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina by calling it "the blame game" and pretending it's politics as usual totally miss the point. Roughly 50 percent of Americans did not vote; however, nearly 100 percent of Americans have seen the photos and crying reporters describing the scores of dead elderly and children on the street. They are outraged, and their outrage grows daily at an administration whose only expeditious action takes place when it's for political reasons, not to save citizens' lives.

Take a look at the Department of Homeland Security's National Response Plan (NRP). Here lie the legal grounds for President Bush's accountability. It could be useful to spread the word around.

The NRP, signed by President Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and Porter Goss, dictates the following:

"ALL PRESIDENTIALLY DECLARED DISASTERS AND EMERGENCIES UNDER THE STAFFORD ACT ARE CONSIDERED INCIDENTS OF NATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE."
(NRP, 7)


At such point a disaster or emergency is declared, according to the NRP, the federal government can and has a duty to supercede protocol when it means
preservation of life and assets: "Federal departments and agencies are EXPECTED to provide initial and/or ongoing response, when warranted, under their own authority and funding; alert, notification, pre-positioning and timely delivery of resources; proactive support for catastrophic or potentially catastrophic incidents using protocols for expedited delivery of resources. (NRP, 6)

Further:
Notification and full coordination with States will occur, but the coordination process must not delay or impede the rapid deployment and use of critical resources."

None of this was followed. Not a bit of it. As of Monday September 6, Mississippi mayors were calling CNN to state that they'd still received no help from FEMA because FEMA alleged paperwork wasn't turned it. Ludicrous!

Furthermore, the NRP covers responsibility for troop deployment, stating "The Secretary of Defense authorizes Defense Support of Civil Authorities (DSCA) for domestic incidents as directed by the President or when consistent with military readiness operations and appropriate under the circumstances and the law."

And authorizes immediate action: " Imminently serious conditions resulting from any civil emergency may require immediate action to save lives, prevent human suffering, or to mitigate property damage."

Finally, the NRP gives the President a fiduciary duty during said times of crisis:"The President leads the Nation in responding efficiently and ensuring the necessary resources are applied quickly and effectively to all Incidents of
National Significance."(NRP, 15)

This is not some archaic law, or theory. This was their written and signed Plan. What exactly do people not understand about the federal government's Constitutional obligation to promote the general welfare and provide for the common defense?


Posted by: Anne at September 7, 2005 08:19 PM

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