Charles Rangel and Alan Colmes Debunk Bush On The Iraq War
Reported by Ellen - June 29, 2005
For those who think Democrats can't do well on FOX News, check out how Congressman Charles Rangel, on Hannity & Colmes no less, managed to drive home his point that Bush planned to attack Iraq before 9/11. Democrats should study how he was able to turn around Hannity's "questions" and use them for his own talking points. He was never intimidated by Hannity and he never got angry. Crooksand liars.com has the video.
Sean Hannity opened the discussion with this "fair and balanced" question: President Bush promised that the United States would stay the course in bringing freedom to the people of Iraq but some Democrats are advocating for the troops to come home now before the job is done... It's very predictable from the Democratic party. I have heard the president called a liar repeatedly by the leaders of your party... Howard Dean says Republicans are evil, brain-dead corrupt... so we should, I guess, anticipate that your Democratic friends didn't like the speech tonight? (Comment: I think we can anticipate that Sean Hannity didn't like the speech tonight, either, because he said very little about it.)
CR - Without getting angry: I'm not saying it's a Democratic thing and I think it's shameful when we have the troops there to be talking like Democrats and Republicans. I join with the president in supporting the brave men and women there but I'm surprised why he would go back half a dozen times to 9/11 when we know that America would never have supported the loss of 1700 men and women, 12,000 that are disabled as a result of the war and tens of thousands Iraqis dead. This was supposed to be based on Saddam Hussein being involved one way or the other with 9/11. We don't find weapons of mass destruction, no connection with Al Qaeda.
Hannity, interrupting and once again changing the subject when he's in trouble, said that Bill Clinton, one of Rangel's "closest friends" said Saddam had biological, chemical and nuclear capability. (Comment: Why is that everything Bill Clinton did was wrong, yet Republicans are always using his actions as an excuse for Bush's?) "Yet you don't give George Bush the same slack because you and your fellow Democrats are playing politics and just want to call George Bush a liar again. Isn't that true?'
CR: That's a shameful thing to say when our men and women are over there dying every day. You know that if we knew what we knew today - that he already intended to knock off Saddam Hussein before 9/11...
SH: ...Do you believe that?
CR: ...There's no question and the record is clear.
SH (sarcastically): Do you believe that? Wow... Wow... Wow, that's a conspiracy theory.
CR: ...I am telling you that the country is beginning to know that long before 9/11 President Bush wanted to knock off Saddam Hussein. You know it and I know it.
Next, it was Alan Colmes' turn with the discussion. He quickly expanded upon Rangel's points and even brought up the Downing Street Memo.
Colmes: By the way, there's a report in the British press over the last couple of days that we doubled bombing runs in the runup to the war. They tried to provoke Saddam Hussein prior to the actual beginning of the war. We have the Downing Street Memo. None of this, of course, was addressed tonight. We get the same old tired rhetoric. No new information. No new rationale.
CR: When we went over there, Rumsfeld said it would take two or three days or a week or so. Now they're talking about 12 years. The president has to understand, when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing you do is stop digging. You gotta level with the American people and we'll come together and get our allies to come and try to help Iraqis to try to do something for their country...
AC: I think we saw tonight why 53% of the American people according to a recent poll disapprove of the president's performance, why 52% say the administration - that's more than half - deliberately misled the American people. I don't know that anything was said or done tonight to correct that perception on the part of the American people.
CR: Not at all. Not at all... Most people thought that it involved 9/11. And Sean, you keep talking about Kerry. (Did he mean Dean?) Kerry's not the commander-in-chief... We expect more from our president... He should have said, 'Listen, some mistakes were made. We had bad intelligence but we got rid of a bad guy. Now it's time for us to go to Europe and go to the rest of the world that organizes and trains these people and tell them that we're not gonna stay there for 12 years.
SH (sarcastically): Hey, Congressman Rangel, we'd like to thank you for the conspiracy theory portion of the program.
CR: I didn't say conspiracy. Conspiracy is what you said. I'm saying the president wanted to knock off Saddam Hussein before 9/11.
SH: Alright... next time we'll get some evidence...
CR: We HAVE evidence.
Bravo, Congressman Rangel!!!
Comment: Is it my imagination or is there a better quality of Democratic representation on Hannity & Colmes than on other FOX programs? Maybe Deborah can weigh in on this.